The purge and camp taco are the two see the alliance does bad thing too moments the horde holds up. Those two will never be forgotten.
Then why do you keep arguing against showing the darker actions the Alliance has already made as dark?
Genn betrayed the horde and tried to assassinate the Warchief because he decided with no proof that Sylvannas was responsible for Varian’s death, in doing so he killed many soldiers attempting to secure the shield in Stormheim. (No, even though there is that waterlogged book I don’t think there’s a canon ruling on who got it as both sides recover it in the quest, don’t forget more morally grey there as alliance slaughters shipwrecked soldiers, and in turning in a quest right before the village the whole showdown takes place in he states he does not know what Sylv is up to)
Because they are about the only times in the game where Blizzard stopped and told us as the Horde “hey, look, Alliance did bad things to you!”
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Yeah but their presentation sucked so in comparison they feel so shallow.
I wish I had more to work with.
I am not against it. I actively encourage it I just disagree that the things you consider Alliance has done is anywhere near enough for them to be as sullied as we are.
God I love the Brokenshore event. I love a war that starts with a misunderstanding and equal suffering on both sides.
If this war started because of what happened in Legion I would have been so happy and we didn’t even need to genocide the night elves to do it!
Yep just saying not like they will ever be forgotten i mean the pruge is held up at times like another genocide on all blood elves everwhere.
We never know the scale of how it happened.
That is why it has a presentation problem.
How many died? How many arrested? How many escaped?
So far the only thing I gather is some people have died but it wasn’t a tragedy that would make Jaina into an Arthas because characters would have mentioned something much harsher.
The only time the Purge gets compared to a genocide is in the forums.
Yep kind of snnoying because it is a bad enough thing on its own with it being a brutal crackdown and round up of people and all.
I find Broken Shore/Stormheim a stupid reason for him commiting to a war.
The Horde are aware that they did leave the Alliance to die there and were aware it would look bad regardless of their reasons. At no point before Stormheim does the horde reach out to the alliance to explain themselves or explain why they retreat. So of course the Alliance is going to believe they were betrayed on purpose and left to die.
Besides the Alliance was proved right to believe Sylvanas was up to no good in Stormheim. If it hadn’t been for the whole working with Helya and enslaving our allies and she had actually lead her forces against the legion she might be vindicated in her reasons for war. However we know she had no intention of fighting the Legion she just wanted the Valkyr for herself to raise more alliance as undead.
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Yeah, Jaina went full Gestapo because of a small tactical raid.
Her response was very disproportionate but like I said. The presentation was TERRIBLE.
So bad. On multiple levels.
Didn’t vilify the Alliance.
And it didn’t give the Alliance the big win the needed for Theramore.
Very lame stuff.
Blizzard seems to have perfected the art of just doing enough to pass but not enough to please literally anybody.
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Yeah, I do not understand why they went the way they did with this expansion. You’ve got realistic grudges from Genn, Anduin’s massive bungling of the whole Calia incident making things even tenser. And then they went and did what they did.
I agree that a massive loss could work for the horde.
And man, don’t know how badly we’re vehemently agreeing or not.
Do you see my point that until horde gets the type of investment in characters and locations that the Alliance had received that I don’t think the loss will go over? Like I said, I feel like as horde we’ve been losing since Lordaeron, but because the story is being told differently it doesn’t evoke the same reactions so both the Alliance victories and the defeat that the Horde take feel hollow and unsatisfying. Teldrassil put a LOT of focus on the casualties of the battle while Lordaeron skipped all that and was purely the battle.
I remember when some of the stuff had been data mined there was apparently going to be a Silver Convent/Jaina raid on Silvermoon afterwards. That would have been nice.
I get it.
It is like being cut by dozens of little rusty butter knives and the Alliance gets a single strike of a big axe.
Unfortunately they don’t let that axe hit us for once and stop it with the tiny knives.
If we get hit by the axe the knives will finally stop cutting and we can start getting healed.
Otherwise we haven’t suffered enough to be owed some sort of overhaul so all the development goes to the Alliance because they need to pick up the pieces.
That is exactly the problem.
I demand Blizzard to give me my one big lose moment so I can finally move on with the next chapter rather than continue to have dozens of tiny losses with little relevance.
“You lost the Abyssal Scepter! Now feel bad!”
To keep up your analogy, I feel like the Alliance has solid trees of stuff that get hit with that Axe, we’ve got reeds and saplings, so even when we get hit with the axe it’s not going to get the right result to make people happy.
If purge of Dalaran was better presented.
If the war started from legion and carried on from there. (lordaeron)
If we didn’t genocide anybody.
This war would have been so dang great. I would actually be pumped in fighting the Alliance.
So to answer your question. We have plenty of trees. Problem is Blizzard keeps misusing them or straight up ignoring them.
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So much that, WoT felt like a massive betrayal after that intro cinematic, would have been so good if that came first.
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What I want to see is the alliance attack the Horde in full force taking out Silvermoon, Ashenvale and Ashzara and taking back the territory showing it as Phased. However the Horde in return manage to Kill a few powerful alliance champions(we have so many) maybe Anduin, Jaina, Alleria or Malfurion.
The Horde On the other hand end up with a decent Warchief that reach’s out to the Scattered tribes of Yangoul and trolls and brings them into the Horde. Bringing them New powerful champions and new territory that doesn’t affect the Alliance taking back some.
The Horde losing ground but defiantly resisting the alliance in a bloody conflict in which the Alliance concedes that they cannot fully defeat them without more tremendous losses.
Well too late for that now.
We still need to inflict something real painful to the Horde by the Alliance.
Now that Jaina and Andiun are in the pro-Horde camp…
Its going to be Tyrande and she could be decapitating Orc babies and I doubt anyone really has any moral high ground to speak from.
Damn it.
I wouldn’t mind seeing the night elves going back to being scary.
But what do we lose that will count. After Lordaeron, the War Campaign, and Dazar’alor didn’t count?
I eant blizz to jist end the pointless divide if they manage to keep one promise one idea i want it to be the end of faction conflict.
The best case scenario I see if she pops in and kills Saurfang much to the chagrin of everybody. But that means another character killed and the whole mood is somber and depressed… which is what is needed for both sides to bury the hatchet.
It sucks but this is probably the only solution.
I just hope to christ it is top quality cinematic and not some garbage machinima.
Can the alliance trade you having valin killed for peace?