The horde doesn't need a devastating defeat

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Well it is clear you are not even bothering to read anything.
When you decide to actually address the point let me know.

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833

This is the same man that orders the Horde champion to assist Horde Rouges in poisoning Night elf sentinels as part of the invasion. He has no notion of whats honorable and whats not.

Even his all context for agreeing to the war is stupid. If he was aware the assassination attempt in Stormheim I find it hard to beleive he wasn’t aware of Genn’s Motivations for wanting Sylvanas dead.

He should be the one character in the game to understand Genn’s reasons for want her dead considering he also lost his own son to an Undead abomination.

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Saurfang should have been the voice that disagreed with the war plan.
He is a terrible character… naive is what I would call him and it appears he has learned absolutely nothing despite his extremely bloody past.

Is he going to stop fried vegetables for this mass slaughter I wonder.
How long before he runs out of entire food groups that he could eat before they remind him of something terrible he did?

835

Sure. They’re soldiers in a war after the Alliance tried to assassinate the Supreme Leader of the World Power that is the Horde. I don’t think the Night Elves should’ve been the target of that revenge, but they are Alliance soldiers.

Genn’s motivations don’t matter. His king ordered the Alliance to work with the Horde. Genn broke the armistice.

I respectfully disagree. Sylvanas didn’t make a zambie out of him, nor did she intentionally kill him. I understand Genn’s need for revenge, but Genn decided that when the Legion – the universal force that has conquered every single world in the universe that it has ever visited – came to Azeroth in its full power, that the Horde wasn’t necessarry to defend the world and tried to start a new Great War.

He was monumentally stupid and should’ve been stripped of all rank not only by Gilneans, but by the Alliance.

Agreed.

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836

I mean look at the logic sylvanas git him to plan the war with by the logic of tine breaks bonds he should plot to destroy the forsaken should they one day maybe posssbly turn sginat the horde.

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“Will we have peace with the Alliance with Genn at Anduin’s side?”
“You did murder his son in cold blood by making him jump in front of his father when you were attacking him in the middle of a battlefield.”
“I forgot, that was wrong of me, I will go and throw myself on another Saronite spike, have the families of the sailors who threw their lives away by attacking the alliance fleet they did not see by hitting their cannonballs with our ships draft letters of apologies to the innocent soldiers who died in our insidious ambush of their airship by our navy.”

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838

fixed that for you.
Dude lets own up to what Sylvanas and Garrosh’s horde actually did. We aren’t fooling anyone by perverting what actually happened.

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839

So, question

Is the Alliance ever actually capable of being in the wrong?

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840

The answer is no outside of Warcraft 3, and even then it’s only capable of being in the wrong against itself.

841

If Blizzard finally lets them be less than perfect.

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842

Sadly never as wrong as the horde

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843

It just gets frustrating how no matter what the Alliance does, and I’m not saying they’re as bad as the horde has been, that some people can’t go “Yeah, that wasn’t the best idea” there has to be some justification for how it’s the horde’s fault.

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844

I’m sure you’ll think up some excuse for why it was really the horde’s fault if they do.

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845

Normally there is justification and excuses of honor as well still bad things but never as bad as the horde

846

You know what really frustrates me?
Rather than both Alliance and Horde players standing united and calling out this double standard that BOTH sides want changed and are so damn tired of the same narrative repeating itself SOME posters would rather minimize or explain away what actually happened.

Try to push the idea THERE IS an actual parity happening in the story which it really isn’t.
I detest players who seem to unwittingly push Blizzard’s terrible story because we can’t seem to be able to agree on the simple facts.

Saurfang has done horrific evil deeds in this expansion and he is being given a complete pass because he feels sorry and because of his naivety when he is supposed to be this old wise soldier.
I hate what they have done to him and now they are trying to backtrack everything he and the Horde has done so far.

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847

Project much?

All I’ve seen you call for in here is for boosting Alliance even more at the expense of the horde, more suffering for the horde. What we’ve lost hasn’t been enough. I say we need to get invested in so that rather than “Nah, that doesn’t count because it wasn’t as personal as city alliance had that horde never had an equivalent to with lots of story behind it” maybe when we actually lose something Alliance can go “Oooo, that hurt them” And you hcraave problems with that.

And yeah they’re trying to backtrack what they did to him and the horde because I guess they forgot Horde was a playable faction again and oops, they don’t have a good way to resolve the stupidity that was the war of thorns so they have to try and storytell it away.

Frankly, with the amount of excuses I hear for every atrocity or attempted atrocity committed by alliance characters, we should get a freebie for Saurfang. I mean hell, we’re throwing the Sunreaver’s under the bus to whitewash Jaina this patch.

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848

Exactly, if the Alliance if gonna attack the Horde they need to defeat them badly. Something the Horde can’t overlook as because of their own actions. However this does mean the Alliance needs to deliver a serious blow to the horde.

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You seem to be unable to grasp that both of us are arguing for the same thing.
It astounds me you are still missing the point.

You complain no matter what happens Alliance is not morally dirtied like the Horde.
These are the same morally bad things I want the Alliance to do to us.
I wanted a teldrassil event happen to the Horde so I would have a reason to fight them. Because so far I have no incentive to do so.

All the “Beat the Alliance! FOR THE HORDE!” Feel incredibly cringey considering I am now part of the pitch black evil faction thanks to Sylvanas and Saurfang’s brilliant idea.

Yeah Purge of Dalaran needed a real good presentation of how horrific it was. But it was completely glossed over. Barely anyone remembers it and what really happened is incredibly murky.
The Horde needs its own Teldrassil so our characters and faction can grow.

Agreed. So lets stop trying to justify their idiotic storyline by pretending “Alliance did enough damage” after War of Thorns.
This whole Alliance riding to our rescue again because we fail as a faction is terrible.

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:roll_eyes:

851

Dude if you don’t want to have a discussion with me and rather just use little emotes can you not directly reply to me?

I would really appreciate it. Thanks.