the council sucks cause it being a council will never actually matter just like the dwarf council, it won’t lead to anything interesting, we will never seen any debate or devision come from it, it prevents nothing and enables nothing
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Exactly. It’s so weird how people pick up a game that plasters the faction divide all over itself and then are somehow upset that there’s a faction divide.
They agreed to this going in.
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Don’t worry too much about the horde council because faction conflict is being hinted at for the future.
These are all fair points. I just think that if they’re going to overhaul the warchief which is a concept as old as the franchise itself they should have to put in the legwork to establish its replacement.
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Thats not wow, imagine giving Hearthstone as a proof to something in wow.
Vanessa at least is from our timeline, and as i said, i gave 7 humans in case you would not accept Vanessa, you can remove Vanessa out of my list it will still have 5 Stormwind humans, while if you remove Yrel from your 5 draenei you already removed the only female one majority of players know.
He was back in vanilla up to wrath, and again, remove Bolvar if you want, i still will have 5 humans.
Well, and dwarves are here since as much and also had rts, but can you give me as much as humans?
Ok, here you miss the point, just to give you an idea, can you look at the 20th wow anniversarry keyart? How many humans you see? How many draenei? And most of all, how many elves.
It have nothing to do with how people are versed into the draenei lore, its just a question of how the marketing is made by Blizzard. They could push the draenei on the spotlight, they just prefer to always push the same characters since 20y.
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HoTS boils down these characters to their core. All the Alliance or Horde ones still show their faction pride and they kept their personalities/motivations.
And I gave you the draenei heritage questline which shows we have had our own list of prominent and not so prominent draenei we have interacted with over the years.
Again we have Ishanah and with the recent Draenei heritage confirm that Naielle is alive and a part of draenei society as well.
And the Broken like Akama were know to be former draenei since at least BC. They are as much draenei characters as anyone else.
The key art represent one of each expansion and maybe more important the current movers and shakers of WoW’s story(hence why 5/10 appear in TWW).
I would also point out the 10th anniversary art was literally all the faction leaders. I think they just wanted something different then to represent all the playable races again.
Not when the hots context is the WoD one, you played the mag’har unlockment lately? Because she dont seem like friendly even for Alliance standards.
Its not because you have a fruit vendor in heritage quest that it instantly become proeminent…the only one you could bring from that quest that would be somewhat relevant would be Naielle.
Yeah so thats 4 draenei that only both of us known, Ishanah was an innkeeper in Legion if thats not enough to show you how blizz is concerned about her.
They no longer are, also barely anyone know who Nobundo is.
Yeah and in all the expacs you have no draenei woth to be put on this 20y aniversarry key art, and you have like 2 humans and tons of elves…you just proving my point here.
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Doesn’t HOTS give alt skins to all the main elven heroes where they’re variants of the other elven nations - it seems like a far cry from getting bogged down in wow faction pride to me
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Or the artist just prefer Gul’dan be a menacing figure instead of replacing him with Yrel or Velen. Warcraft will always be a revolving door of characters. Sometimes you get focused, sometimes you dont. Hell, Hearthstone has even just made the draenei the main theme for their most recent expansion.
Those are alt skins for a reason. It is suppose to show what could be with the characters but as far as who they are as character the base skin is always the go to/the “true” version of these characters.
the new warchief
https://imgur.com/3F4liZh
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Ok, now I know it’s on purpose, because in order to… nvm… lol!
Devs knows… or at least that, dev who put it there, knows… and they are drinking our Horde fans salty tears! (Joking) 
Such a tease… 
Gul’dan is pretty important in the lore of the warcraft universe, and if you ask me why he is here? Because he is an orc, and because you have Thrall in the center, and which other character Metzen like? Gul’dan, because Metzen drew a lot of gul’dan in early warcraft.
You really need to stop mentioning other games. Hearthstone also did a Scholomance Harry Potter expac, i think mentioning it is not relevant.
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What bothers the crap out of me os that Volrath was supposed to be there but since he isn’t hugs and kisses enough for nu-WoW so they removed him.
No end to the troll disrespect.
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I am sure it has nothing to do at all with how foundational he is to Warcraft lore. Nor does it have anything to do with the fact he was one of the major villain of the Warcraft movie. Or that he was a character as far back as Warcraft 2(I dont remember if he was in Warcraft 1)
Or you will have to accept Warcraft as a series is more then the MMO and Blizzard will never give everyone a proportionate amount of lore but will try and give the races the spotlight every now and then in as many avenues as they can and sometimes in suprising ways
Same honestly
That’s not to say he doesn’t actually strike gold time to time & make some valid points. lol
I mean to an extent, that’s kind of what the Alliance does.
The ‘High King’ of the Alliance, heralds from Stormwind and kind of micromanages politics outside of their city’s people.
The difference is:
- The Alliance do it in a way where it still feels diplomatic – Yet acknowledging the authority with respect and can still be more-or-less reasonable with one another when they disagree (eg. When Tyrande & Anduin had differences of opinion @ retaking Darkshore).
- The Horde do that though
and it’s suddenly treacherous, insulting and drama-queens all around. lol
So yeah, I feel like having a Warchief could work — but the writing has let the title down too much. 
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That was also bad
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Was?
It’s still kind of the case.
Stormwind is the king kingdom amongst the Alliance, they hardly function as a ‘council’ like the Horde does — They may debate and throw their separate voices in, but it’s generally centralised around Stormwind’s leadership and a singular commanding voice that binds them & guides them.
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I think it might be because they’ve dropped the faction conflict but we have Moira acting independently in TWW, the kaldorei acting independently in DF, things are hopefully getting better from the excesses of “Varian is a good king because he can exert quasi-dictatorial power over his allies” - hopefully for good.
Hell, they separated Genn being regent of Stormwind and Tess being the actual queen of Gilneas (I know it seems weird that Genn is now a king emeritus but abdication retirement does happen, moreso today but even Charles I of Spain did it)
Making the all-powerful supreme commander of your multi-nation political alliance a “War chief” is also a bad idea if you actually value good governance and diplomacy rather than just constantly fighting wars. A Warchief might make a good leader for your military forces, but that’s about it.
A council of wise elders is a much better choice for long term survival. You can’t stay under martial law forever when you’re starting to gain industry, global trade and a parliamentary system.
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