But was the president aware? Or are you telling me the pentagon got the funding and kept everything under wraps from everyone outside the pentagon?
Well I can see how this is hard to swallow of when the entire idea of classified illegal government projects seems like an impossibility. Sadly, it’s not a one off thing. And that’s before taking into account we’re talking about the heightened reality of videogame narrative.
Most, if not all of it happens without the direct awareness of the President, let alone most politicians, let alone the general public.
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And the Goblin one?
Probably because some acknowledge the outs for what they are, flimsy and something that are mostly clung onto by partisans.
I think people acknowledge the outs, many just don’t considering them as much of an excuse while said Alliance players do.
And different people will view them differently.
Some Horde players will see the outs and say ‘the Alliance can do no wrong, wow’.
Some Horde players will see the outs and think, ‘those basically don’t change anything’.
You were baffled by inconsistent views, but there is a rather easy way to divide these interpretations.
But you just commented about them before.
That’s what they’re talking about, in my view.
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The complaint is that the intent and WHO was behind it has shifted multiple times.
First Puttress then Varimanthras then Sylvanas and now possibly Zovaal all along
It was bad. But whose bad?
Well historically speaking this is the alleged case yes. The President is not made to be entirely aware of all the grimey dirty secrets of the military intentionally. It comes with functional autonomy of the military.
This every time this stuff comes up the President can say they had no idea it was happening and are OUTRAGED and their HEART IS BROKEN.
It’s equally probable it’s a lie and it’s true.
But I remind you the President is head of the executive, the President is neither King nor Emperor, and is only one branch of the government that does the enforcing and shooting at people. Two of three branches were in fact 100% unaware.
galaxy brained poster sits at their desk, lost in intense meditation
“These imbeciles don’t understand that the Forsaken Blight was actually find and normal and good. How can I make them understand that?”
massages their temples and concentrates. Their brain size begins to increase exponentially
“Agent Orange! That’s it! I’ll compare it to some real life moral travesties! Then they’ll see that really this isn’t evil, it’s grey!”
window bursts out and glorious sunlight and rainbows pour into the room as furious typing begins
Emphasizing this because the President is not God King Emperor with omniscience, and Congress and the Judiciary are often kept in the dark about everything and anything the military actively does.
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And when it came to the development of the Blight, that was left up to the RAS. An independently operating body of the Forsaken. Not Sylvanas herself. Not the Forsaken military in general.
Wasn’t an ethnic cleansing, the Alliance didn’t even know who was onboard. Just some goblin witnesses that might alert the Horde.
Why do I have to explain this to you, you know this already.
So we are indeed putting the Horde actions as identical as the Alliance ones.
Then I guess Blizzard should continue doing what they are doing because bravo they are capable of telling one story and yet both sides have wildly different interpretations of the actual events.
This is a rare talent.
You realize this means that Alliance doesn’t have a problem about being too good and always in the right? This means Blizzard is already accomplishing what everyone here clamors for.
This is as dark as Alliance gets then I guess.
Correct lol it’s not one person with all takes
At least that was the case for Wrath.
Then Sylvanas and her inner circle knew about it in Cata.
Then Sylvanas was the one who ordered it in MoP or WoD.
Now Sylvanas had been in cahoots with Zovaal since wrath as of last year.
That sounds more like the president knew, but obviously can’t admit it since it would be career suicide. I just have a hard time imagining that kind of program securing funding without anyone above understanding what was going on. But maybe it’s just because I live in a country where that kind of stuff doesn’t happen, I think.
Sylvanas herself literally took part in the experimentation. She watched as a weeping prisoner was force-fed blight so she could observe the results
An entire district of the Undercity was devoted to this kind of research. The Forsaken openly paraded mind-slaves about and bragged about their unanasthized lobotomies, and joked about whether or not their human slaves were “housebroken”
This isn’t some kind of new development you can pin on whatever boogeyman contemporary writer du jour you’re using as a scapegoat. This was Vanilla. This was the foundation of the Forsaken faction that Blizzard chose to present to the world on day one.
It is not anybody elses fault that you apparently looked at all this and decided that you were either okay with it or just ignore it, and you have no right to be whining that this development was carried out to its logical conclusion 10 years down the line.
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I was responding to your question. It sounds like you mean to ask a boarder question?
This is what I responded to with Jaina and Goblins.
Your responses have both been ‘well, stuff outside the scope of that question’.
Not really. If you have people on different sides, that bias will naturally lead to those conclusions.
Anyway, that should sufficiently explain why you were baffled before.
Because some people accept the outs as excusing things. Some people don’t.
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Agent Orange was evil lol
It was a war crime. Biological weapon that did disproportionate harm.
You’re weird.
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Dude MKULTRA was funded using Pentagon resources.
Military budget is determined by Congress.
But it’s a blank check. They just give the whole military money every year for whatever.
Congress had no idea what MKULTRA was for DECADES, almost the entire 20th century.
Welcome to US Empire.
What magical country do you live in where the military has never been involved in a war crime?!
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You’re correct! And that’s why comparing it to the Blight in an effort to minimize the travesty that was the blight is so wrongheaded!
Are your neurons misfiring you donut?
Yes the broader question was when was the last time the Alliance made it a national policy to ethneclly cleanse a Horde population from a land they viewed as theirs by eradicating them and then converting them to their own culture forcefully?
I am referencing the exact events of Hillsbradfoot Hills.
The closest comparison is Yrel and she isn’t even Alliance.
Jaina you were correct but the motivations were completely different than Sylvanas’ in cataclysm.
Goblins was a bad comparison.
Then Blizzard writing is great because they are capable of telling a story where both sides have proper motivations and justifications for their actions.
The reason why these players are arriving to these conclusions is because Blizzard is doing a good job.
Well clearly the story is written well enough that a viewer can make that assertion.
Your poorly phrased question aside, are you still baffled or do you understand what was giving you confusion before?
Again, it isn’t a mark of quality writing to just create two factions. The reason is why is that alone.
A story doesn’t have to be well written to have that happen.
Sweden, and while it’s probably true there were war crimes, the country haven’t been at war since 1814, so any such war crimes wouldn’t be defined as such until almost a hundred years later by the hague convention.
But I was mostly refering to the secret development of weapons that happened with the pentagon. I don’t think Sweden has or had anything like that, but I could be wrong.
Willfull bias and ignorance just so their supposed team can have a win?
But thats so then I guess they are satisfied with the Alliance’s depiction.