And your head canon is they were all killed. My point was the Forsaken giving them nothing but lemon biscuits and raspberry tea is as substantive an argument as saying they were all killed.
And looking reasonably at the situation why would the Forsaken hasten another fight when I think the vast majority would leave. Nobody liked Garry Throats.
And the idea the Forsaken let some humans kick around while they waited for their Uber is best demonstrated by the memorial to King Menetheil. Which it’s stated the Forsaken didn’t build but were good enough sports to not defile even though they could’ve.
Garithos hated the blood elves for a reason. It seems that he went to protect Quel’thalas, and the Horde at that time destroyed his hometown / village / I do not remember where he lived.
I’m saying Horde players will use the thinnest pretext of Alliance aggression to justify killing Alliance races wholesale, then turn around and whinge at the Alliance for wanting any sort of retribution after having been on the receiving end of all kinds of aggression from the Horde.
Benedikt do you genuinely believe that the Forsaken, under the leadership of Varimathras and Sylvanas Windrunner, were a bunch of passive, peace loving normies who hated unnecessary death and destruction and only killed when absolutely necessary? That it would be MORE in character for them to carry out precision assassinations and spare the bulk of their enemies than to wipe them out and eradicate the threat?
Sylvanas and Varimathras did that all the time. The Forsaken’s entire Silverpine and Hillsbrad campaigns were a giant waste of resources that they could have spent fighting the Scourge and the Scarlets. Were a handful of farms and a fishing village really more of a threat than the large group of militant Paladins and endless army of the Damned?
I’ve been arguing that all over this thread and get pushback all the time.
I seriously can’t believe people are legitimately playing the “Fighting Garrithos was bad, guys” card. Dude was a monster. His troops could have bailed when he told them they were going to execute civillians and children. They could have mutinied. Because they didn’t, and died defending a monster, I’m not shedding any tears. Much like how I don’t shed tears over Garrosh’s hardcore supporters dying defending him
In vanilla SP there was no war. Just a local threat to be put down by wandering adventures. Cata SP was a hand forced by Garrosh and despised by Sylvanas for smart if far from altruistic reason. Yes I know about the retcon but I’ll only take it seriously from someone who can say ‘Alpha Prime’ without laughing.
As for Hillsbrad, yeah. That makes complete sense. Lordaeron cuts off at Thoradin’s Wall. Wanting to secure that bread basket makes all the sense in the world.
The breadcrumb to Silverpine describes the Forsaken’s operations in Silverpine as being a result of their campaigns against the Humans and Dwarves to the south.
A breadbasket? For all that food that the Forsaken need? Or just to deny it to the humans, even though the humans that the Forsaken were fighting were far up north with their own farms?
Why are they in Hillsbrad at all and not in the Plaguelands fighting the Scarlets and the Scourge?
Like, when the Scourge’s operations in the Plaguelands were finally decimated at the end of Vanilla, it was the Alliance that did it. The Regent of Stormwind mustered an army that marched to Stratholme and decapitated the Scourge’s leadership, irreversibly weakening the Scourge’s grip on Lordaeron.
Meanwhile, the Forsaken were in Hillsbrad butchering peasants, with their ultimate goal being the destruction of a small fishing village that was more concerned with the local Murlocs than with the undead.
Plaguelands is, especially back then, a massive Scourge fest. While I think they went too far against Hillsbrad peasants, not wanting to wait until humans play nice and expanding into Silverpine and Hillsbrad and is pretty understandable given their vulnerable position.
I mean global trade is a thing and they’ve got allies whose source of food got destroyed right before WoW started. I’m not gonna claim it’s an ethical reason for taking Hillsbrad, but they could always ship food for trade or even just to have food for their living allies who are in the area for whatever reason.
I personally wouldn’t trust the grain that was transported across the ocean in what looks like a rotting ship, but historically people have eaten worse
Glad all these armchair generals are taking their military operations training to critique military theory about a world written by people who also have military operations training.
What part of this are you taking issue with? Like it sounds like it worked out well for the Forsaken here.
Yes. That would be the whole point. Though as we see the Forsaken can subsist off fungi grown from corpses. It’s their vegan option.
Like the Forsaken are trying to figure out a way to non violently exist in this world, and the humans are attacking them because there’s not enough orchards or pumpkin farms or whatever.
It didn’t even help them. In Cataclysm their positions in Silverpine and Hillsbrad became strategic liabilities (as did their alliance with the Horde) that they had to commit even more resources just to holding.
And then in BfA when the Alliance decided to actually go on the offensive instead of just hold the line, Undercity fell in an afternoon.
