The Horde: A Different Type of Heroism

Yeah it’s weird that you decided to argue with me about it.

Huh? Why would Genn care about Taurajo?

No, the questline for Stonespie wasn’t forgotten as in, “Blizzard doesn’t reference it anymore”. It was literally removed from the game.

Like imagine if Blizzard just went and removed all the Southshore quests and was like, “Huh? No. This was always Forsaken territory.” without any evidence anything eve stood there.

And I think Blizzard can do two storylines with comparable emotional impact. Again, they did multiple storylines in Legion and Shadowlands. If I didn’t believe Blizzard story folks were ever capable of ever putting out anything decent ever again- well I wouldn’t be playing.

And I know being the victim of the story isn’t fun. Which is why Blizzard needs to stop writing the Horde as running around victimizing people and the Alliance as being unable to victimize anyone in turn. If both sides can have a little bit of hero/villain batting, and have bits and pieces here and there where they’re right/wrong, underdog/on top, well then we’d be on our way to at least something better and less simplistic.

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I don’t think you picked up on the irony. Hint: Not all humans are Lordaeronian. :slight_smile: Good night.

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I think he means Gann

He wouldn’t….like at all. None of his people were even involved with that disaster. :wolf:

Don’t think I ever said they were. If I did it was a typo, I’ve done a lot of typing today.

I mispelled Gann :stuck_out_tongue:

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"Kneel beside me, friend. I caught a bullet during that last raid.

When the dwarves first invaded the Barrens, I contented myself with harassing their diggers and sabotaging their equipment. I should’ve struck a killing blow when I had the chance."
His gossip text according to Wowpedia.
The questline was only removed for plot progression. The next one with those dwarves is actually delivering a proper killing blow.

The worst part of the whole stonespire mess is the only “resolution” to that was in MoP where an NPC calls you a monster for killing his murderous thug of a son.

edit: They’re both horrifying racists who referred to the native Tauren as vermin as they murdered civillians.

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Honestly Southshore was blown up and Alliance players don’t even get anything to address it. Everybody is dead and Alliance can’t even go there to find survivors or stop them. All you see is ruins :frowning:
Taurajo at least had something and the Stonespires get avenged in a way by blowing up the Dwarf fortress.

If you want Horde pains shown the same way Alliance pains are that is unfortunately the price. Otherwise they get treated like the examples we discussed.

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Unfortunately the storylines tend to overly focus on Alliance reactions to what the Horde does, where the opposite is just used to not make it technically “for the sake of being evil” when the Horde acts out of line.

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You can be thematically consistent without having to be slavishly devoted to lore. Heck, the best franchises are like that. They make mistakes and forget characters and events, but because they work had to continue trying to capture that feel, they actually end up in many ways being truer than something that’s technically more in keeping with official canon.

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I dunno why you thought that this would be a good comparison since that’s basically what Blizzard did regarding Lordaeron from Cata to BfA and even now all anyone like Calia talks about or cares about in the region is the Forsaken

Blizzard is signaling very hard that the Alliance’s historical claims to Lordaeron are invalid and that only the Forsaken matter, regardless of what they did in Vanilla and Cata

Much like everyone’s posting

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Won’t get any arguments from me about Calia being awful.

Going from literally saying “idgaf about the Forasaken” in Legion to having a Savior complex just because the Forsaken needed a replacement leader is awful writing, and has Golden’s fingerprints all over it.

I appreciate that you’re at least consistent in your condemnation of the Horde for their colonial campaigns against indigenous populations in Lordaeron instead of trying to justify it just because the Horde does it.

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Bruh, I will never shy away from the fact that the Horde has done awful things, and has definitely not been part of the solution (even if of late it’s been due to hamhanded writing).

I just want the treatment to be similar for when each side screws up. That or just go full RIFT and have a deus ex machina (Azeroth’s avatar showing up to kick everyone into shape?) force the faction conflict to end

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They are.

Merely warred in the same spirit.

Gilneas has legitimate greviances. That was an invasion. The Lordaeronian humans that didn’t turn human supremacist Cultist still tried to stomp out the Forsaken and rather than leaving, eagerly invited Elywnian carpet baggers to come rampage through the north.

The only tragedy in Southshore was that it’s desolation wasn’t playable.

How did it take you 10 minutes to type that. You gotta up your shtposting game man, I could have put out like 5 paragraphs of burns on the Forsaken in that time.

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