The honor fix is correct

Delimicus-heartseeker · May 21, 2021, 12:03am

Makes sense, good work. Do we currently still have diminishing returns on pre-patch?

Frosstfire-pagle · May 21, 2021, 12:03am

Naamtar:

I did raid and get gear.

Then I got sick with a brain lesion.

Then I came back to the game to level another toon, when I hit 60 about a month ago I could not find any guilds that ran Molten Core or Blackwing Lair, I could not find any guilds that would take a pre raid BiS player into AQ40 or Naxx - unless they were GDKPs where you spend thousands of gold on singular items.

All of the characters I had prior to getting sick are sitting in ZG/BWL BiS.

So from my perspective, this is a combination of emergent player behavior restricting new players - which is fine but a little worrisome - and Blizzard just not being able to do a good enough job policing RMT in the game (admittedly very hard to do even if they wanted to do a better job).

If your solution to a frustrated player is “tough luck” - you’re contributing to pushing people out of the game.

That doesn’t mean the game should be all inclusive and let everyone get what they want, either, but as it stands this is gear that will be replaced in days or a couple of weeks by literally everyone and only serves to enrich the player experience right now in the game.

People are going into TBC with gold cap on some characters man. The field is not level or fair in any way.

I’m sorry to hear about your issues but leveling is not going to be the main differentiator in TBC.

People with gold cap can create all the insane BOEs in TBC after they reach 70 and vastly out pace you.

I have terrible gear on this mage. I will level slowly. I just don’t care. I play the game for fun. Testing in Beta showed that it is perfectly fine to level with ZG gear in TBC. You get pretty good rewards pretty quickly from quests and stuff.

Galcian-bigglesworth · May 21, 2021, 12:05am

There is a counter version of that too and it’s the private server crowd whos been creating and pushing for an environment that is more unfriendly towards casual players then even vanilla wow ever was. Hense the people who would rather it not be possible at all to get the gear that could be farmed during this period during original pre-patch. It reminds me of people who scream communism at everything they don’t like. These people were around back in vanilla to. They spent all their time bragging about how WOW was for casuals and Everquest was the real man’s MMO.

Naamtar-grobbulus · May 21, 2021, 12:06am

I’m aware of all of that.

I’m saying Blizzard should try to address it instead of just letting it remain out of control.

In this particular instance - it’s a perfect example of “fun detected.”

It’s a many layered issue - and I disagree with your idea that honor gains should be accurate to original pre patch, because A LOT of the other changes that do not reflect a faithful recreation of the game interfere with the logic behind that.

Velenno-windseeker · May 21, 2021, 12:09am

The actual BC pre patch was 2.0 and so did have diminishing returns. Since they’re basing this off of 2.4.3, it’s probably using the 2.4.3 DR which was 0 honor after 50 kills.

I think he really has discovered the root of this issue. We’ve confirmed through multiple sources of evidence that BG bonus honor is correct. But the HK honor doesn’t match some examples of people’s memories. Why that fundamentally is is that it is using the HK calculations from 2.4.3, not 2.0

Velenno-windseeker · May 21, 2021, 12:12am

Also on 2.4.3 it made sense to longer use the Vanilla ranks to determine honor. Think about it. At that point you had so many characters in the game that hadn’t played Vanilla and thus didn’t have a rank.

Utterlyme-kromcrush · May 21, 2021, 12:14am

I hate raiding in Vanilla and finally I have something to do in BG’s but I can’t get any gear before TBC launch because Blizzard turned down honor so much and only gave us 1.5 weeks to get it. I’m about done with this game forever… So many other things I could be playing.

Pancakenips-azjolnerub · May 21, 2021, 12:19am

Anybody saying these numbers are correct are either trolling or didnt play back in the day. I specifically remember getting at least 1 piece per day before. These numbers are beyond nerfed.

Delimicus-heartseeker · May 21, 2021, 1:23am

Yeah, this ended up being a lot more complicated than I originally thought. I don’t think people would be happy with Blizzard adjusting the honor per HK rate to be original TBC pre-patch accurate. There are a tremendous number of low rank/boosted characters doing BG’s right now; I don’t think it would be a significant increase to honor.

They should temporarily increase honor gains by a large amount to compensate for the short pre-patch.

Velenno-windseeker · May 21, 2021, 1:28am

True, that prepatch HK formula was based on that prepatch environment. I’d say between december of 2006 and January of 2007 probably 95% at least of the players in high level BGs had some rank. Would still have been a good amount of rank 10s-14s running around. Now the relative proportion has shifted so much. Right now its probably something like 50% of the players in BGs have no rank.

Still if nothing else getting that extra honor on the current vanilla players that have a rank would help.

Tacofel-jubeithos · May 21, 2021, 1:35am

This has got to be a joke reply right?! Surely…

If you want it correct for 2021, go play retail.

Dreavi-daggerspine · May 21, 2021, 1:36am

Retail isnt correct for 2021 either

Deepshatter-whitemane · May 21, 2021, 1:36am

Wow thanks for the proof, shill, get bent

Tacofel-jubeithos · May 21, 2021, 1:40am

Please enlighten us as to what is correct then?

Slackware-thunderfury · May 21, 2021, 1:43am

You are mistaken… again.

Karlo-amanthul · May 21, 2021, 5:38am

From bliz or just an angry nerd?

system · July 20, 2021, 5:39am

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