The highest item level gear, not including pvp gear, should come from Heroic raids and +15 M+

The highest item level gear, not including pvp gear, should come from Heroic raids and +15 M+

This would mean that everyone that wants to push Mythic raiding and M+ over 15s would be doing so for the rights to show off achievements and such. However, I think any drops such as tmog, pets, mounts, etc should be random personal loot and not guaranteed drops (this will help cut down on carry selling).

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So you want to make the most difficult raid tier only give out mounts and pets and achievs?

And somehow that’s supposed to cut down on carries?

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Haha, try quoting all of what I said troll.

Honestly, I didn’t need to quote anything. I asked questions to get clarification, because your idea is confusing.

Last time I checked, asking questions for clarification isn’t trolling. I’d suggest learning the definition.

But if it makes you feel better, I’ll delete the quote and hope for some clarification from you.

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i quoted all of what you said hmmm who are you op on an alt ?

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the idea of a non-power tier is strange NOW after we’ve seen countless guilds skip the jailer - the guy on the cover and the biggest threat to bla-bla-bla because he didnt drop a tier token.

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Hmmm, I don’t really know.

If I am being honest, in WoD I spent gold to get carried for the “Friendship Moose” I spent the gold even though some people were doing it for free because it was more convenient. I didn’t purchase tokens for that, I just spent the gold I had earned.

If they ever made a raid mount as good looking as the Friendship Moose (for the record, imo they haven’t. Except maybe the void dragon, I was not here for that) I would spend the gold again to get that mount as I typically would only ever go to Heroic difficulty.

I don’t know if other people feel the same way-- I am more inclined to spend gold on mounts, pets, and cosmetics rather than just gear with a higher ilvl. Ilvl comes and goes, mounts are forever.

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i wish gear just didn’t matter as much and ilvl gaps weren’t so huge

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That’s what I was thinking.

But I also don’t see progression players being happy about the hardest content giving them no power increase. If I understood that correctly.

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If anything you’d have more carries because people love their cosmetics.

Ilev is temporary, mog/mounts are forever.

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Any particular reason? Or is this just another “well this isn’t important to me so why don’t we cut it” thing?

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I wonder if Mythic+ and Mythic raiders consider the prestige from the challenging content or from the rewards that are offered. I am sure there isn’t a one size fits all answer for that. But I feel like I know (lol) that people would just rage about it.

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Rationale is probably to just have mythic raids be prestige, rather than power progression. Similar to how keystone item levels caps at, what, +15? PvP gear also caps (in pvp) at duelist rather than something like gladiator.

I don’t know. It could be fine. Just cut off gear progression a bit lower and have everything at the high end just be skill and prestige/cosmetics.

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Considering people just hard skipped the mini tier octopus raid in bfa, or will one & done a frustrating boss and then skip it for the rest of the tier I would guess they’d not be happy.

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The problem comes when people (OP) not doing cutting edge start suggesting what should be done at cutting edge though.

It’s like how I don’t tell my ceo how to prioritise their time

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Yeah, imagine entertaining the notion of changing a form of content with dwindling participation.

LMAO

“Well, mythic raid participation is dropping. I wonder if removing loot will fix this?”

An argument for making mythic more accessible, less finicky (one shots/one death being a reset), not tied to grinds, fewer bosses, etc. might make more sense than just kneecapping it with no other plan.

I was thinking of other analogies about not telling professional swimmers how to swim but I’m at work and my boss just went past. I didn’t mean it in a “mythic raiders are our superiors” kinda way.

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?!
fortnite and battle royales really screwed the minds of some ppl heh

its an mmo, gear is the goal - it should matter.

there’s always CS:go and things like that if youre looking for something where only skill matters.

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I’d be okay with this as long as the transmogs, mounts, and titles from Mythic were permanently unavailable forever, afterwards.

No more walking in 10 years later, 1-shotting the boss, and getting the Mythic title.

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