Not at all 
I never carry a grudge it wonât match my shoes. I didnât know paying information forward and being helpful could be construed this way. I apologize if thatâs how you took it.
This is very true.
And recently with all but the Gilneanâs leaving us high and dry I could feasibly see a faction of Night Elves calling for separation from the Alliance possibly bolstered by the Gilneanâs. Teldrassil was their second home after all.
rofl!
Hey, I donât appreciate you attempting to gas light me in this fashion sir. If you wish not to be misinterpreted, it is important you articulate yourself properly. 
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Maybe take the step of fire proofing the tree.
You know about that⊠Teldrassil was in the ocean⊠Lots of water surf spray⊠all that⊠Plus it was a giant living tree. You ever try to burn living and wet wood? Its not that easy. Nor does it burn fast.
Youâd think so, but it went up quite grandly.
And thatâs why BFAâs story may go down as the worst.
Great start but no real direction.
If thatâs how you feel I truly apologize and will refrain from speaking to you in the future I wouldnât want to make you feel that way.
Yeah but you canât say that the Horde wouldnât have been more pushy if the NEâs didnât have alliance backing, and that Garrosh wouldnât have wanted to expand into Ashenvale regardless since his whole thing was that he thought the Orcs deserved more than Durotar.
Regardless if the NEâs were alliance, Garrosh would have pushed into Ashenvale.
Thatâs why for me it feels like a lose/lose scenario
Like an old christmas tree in summer.
Your apology canât be accepted given that it lacks honesty in its basis. Do refrain from speaking to me and I shall do the same for you!
I agree with this assessment. As it stood,t he night elves were just in a bad spot. Ironically enough, the blood elves are in a similar bad spot but the plaguelands function as a natural barrier for them along with their magicalr unes.
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No I canât.
But what would have produced a better outcome for the night elves? Being pushed around a bit by the Horde as a powerful independent faction or⊠being invaded several times as a result of making themselves an existential threat to the Horde and not really having the ability to hold them back?
A case for this could be made using Gilneas. It was neutral at the start of Cata and Garrosh ordered Sylvanas to take it for the Horde despite this. What would have stopped him doing the same to the neutral Darnassians?
Also dont forget now there is a large area of blasted plagued land in front of Capital City blocking a land route.
Indeed. if they wanted a faction war, they should have GONE for a faction war instead of using it as a set up for the Void and Sylvanas own plans -for next expansion-
The HUGE problem, for me, is that it was too much to set up Shadowlands AND take care of the Void in the same expansion, It had to be one or the other.
-We either have an actual faction war that Sylvanas took advantage of to open the portal to the SL.
-Or we actually face the Nâzoth and its lackeys to save Azeroth.
But those are two major stories that just were worth 2 expansions and donât work together as presented.
Thatâs why i think that downplaying the Faction War and focusing on Nâzoth would have worked much better. But still its two expansions worth of material.
Indeed, the BEâs were isolated enough they werenât in major conflict with the factions, so only when it became a real necessity they joined a side. And even so, their territorial isolation has always helped them.
The moment the orcs funded Orgrimmar at the edge of Ashenvale, the NE were screwed either way.
But as I said, the moment Garrosh became Warchief he would have still pushed into Ashenvale, so it matters not if the NEâs were alliance or not, so it ultimately does not matter if the Night Elves joined the alliance.
Exactly; his expansionist approach would definitely affected the Night Elves, which if so, would have been forced to join the alliance or brave the advances of the Horde on their own.
Mind you, with how useless the alliance has been with helping the night elves, they could have fared better on their own hahaha.
Well, would he though? He pushed into Ashenvale as a result of the night elves ceasing the wood trade as a result of their Alliance affiliation.
Teldrassil was a direct result of night elves siding with the Alliance.
Even assuming Garrosh definitely would have encroached into Ashenvale, Teldrassil would have been avoided.
Hell, without the night elves joining Theramore doesnât get bombed, Taurajo doesnât burn, the Purge of Dalaran doesnât happen.
Lets push it out a little further then as an example.
We now know that Sylvanas just wanted to kill folk. Its still likely that she would have pushed to attack Teldrassil and take its people. In this case they wouldnât have the Alliance to pose as a looming threat Iâll grant but they also since they had likely attacked them in Cata, thereâd be no reason not to finish the job. We could even feasibly see the Night Elves and Horde still in contention if the Night Elves were neutral during cata.
What would stop Sylvanas from executing her plan?
She would no longer have had the support of the Kalimdor Horde.
The orcish military only went along with what she said because it made strategic sense as part of a plan to create a new world order where they werenât at the Allianceâs mercy. They didnât do it because they wanted to genocide elves.
No, Garrosh disagreed with Thrall funding their new home in a desert because âpenitenceâ, how long before he would have wanted to expand north? Either way the NE would have come into conflict with the expansionist Garrosh.
Or Teldrassil would have fallen earlier since Garrosh would have realized the Night Elves wouldnât stop.
Or the Night Elves would have still ended on the alliance, just later. And the rest happens all the same.
Or the NEâs get wiped by the Horde, now far stronger than before, and Theramore gets wipes as well as the last bastion of the Alliance. What even happens to the Draenei? They would still be alliance so maybe they are also targeted.
Maybe everything is just worse for the NE and the alliance if no power was great enough to hold Garrosh in check.
It would have been amazing for the Horde tho. Iâm not even saying he would have gone bad, he would have been just tremendously successful.