The High Elf Love Thread 🥰

[Alamara-goldrinn (Alamara)]

Funny that you ask, since it’s in a canon in-game text in the very same post you quoted from me originally. Didn’t you read it?

@Alamara-goldrinn

Remember, kids, high elves are an Alliance race, unlike the Horde’s blood elves:

https://wow.gamepedia.com/The_Old_Wizard's_Almanac

The Old Wizard’s Almanac: The Alliance

As a historically Alliance-friendly organization, one would think that the Kirin Tor might not need a guidebook outlining the Alliance races. I feel that the opposite is true - that we can only understand the other races after truly looking inward. -O.W.

Human - As adaptable a race as you will ever find, humans can be some of the most highly skilled magic-users. Any list of the most powerful mages in history will be dominated by humans. Perhaps most tellingly, the Old Wizard himself is a human.

Dwarf - Dwarves possess a moderate magical acuity, but tend to have difficulty at the higher echelons of wizardry. While they tend to focus more on priestly endeavors, a rare few have been known to dabble in arcane or necromantic activities.

Gnome - Gnomes are remarkably adept arcanists. Pound for pound, they are some of the most potent casters the world has ever known, and have always had a presence in the Kirin Tor.

Night Elf - While night elves tend to avoid arcane energy like it was the Scourge, their druidic powers are second to none.

Draenei - This ancient race has brought the alliance both powerful wizards and masterful wielders of the Light. More recently, the Draenei have adopted shamanism after their arrival in Kalimdor.

High Elf - The magic of the high elves is extremely powerful. High elves possess a magical acumen that rivals that of any - even the humans. Some of the greatest heroes in the Battle of Mount Hyjal were the High Elf Priests.

The Old Wizard’s Almanac: The Horde

Up until the last few years, most of my information on the Horde has been anecdotal, or inferred from my few experiences in battle against them. However, as the Kirin Tor has recently adopted a more neutral stance in Horde-Alliance relations, the amount of information on the Horde and their magic has exploded. - O.W.

Orc - Despite their obvious physical strength, they display a decent magical ability. Orcs tend to make poor arcanists, but culturally have a heritage of peaceful shamanism, combined with a more recent focus on the darker magic of warlocks and necromancy.

Tauren - Few experiment with the arcane, but the bull-men are highly attuned to the magics of the earth. As is the case with many nature-worshiping tribes, many follow the path of the shaman. Furthermore, their most senior druid can rival the archdruids of Darnassus in power.

Troll - A surprising affinity for the magic arts belies the troll’s barbaric reputation and history. My Zul’tour - an expedition into the troll empires of Zul’Aman, Zul’Farrak, and Zul’Drak - has revealed a startling variety in troll casters, ranging from witch doctors to shadow priests to a bizarre animal worship that most closely resembles druidism.

Undead - The undead have as much magical skill as can be expected of any living human… if not more. Sylvanas’ Forsaken, in particular, fling spells with the frightening levels of zeal.

Blood Elf - A history of prolonged exposure to magical energy has left an indelible mark on the Blood Elves. These lithe, magic-addicted creatures seem to fare well in any magical school they study. Most recently, the blood elves have take up the path of the “Blood Knight”, which can be loosely described as a form of paladinism.

Taunka - Much like their tauren cousins, taunka tend to focus on magic stemming from the earth.

[Matinta-azralon]

I would throw mana bombs in High Elf thread posts if I could

[Sarallesta-shattered-hand]

Want the question in bigger letters for you?

Where does it say that High Elves and Blood Elves are two different races?

[Bourbonboxer-lightbringer (Bourbonboxer)]

Mexicans of being Spaniards

Isnt that the point of being called Hispanic?

[Cassima-greymane (Cassima)]

I still want Alliance to get High Elves in some fashion just because they honestly should, in equal fashion the Horde should get Ogres within that same vein.

Fair enough deal to me.

[Bourbonboxer-lightbringer (Bourbonboxer)]

Funny that you ask, since it’s in a canon in-game text in the very same post you quoted from me originally. Didn’t you read it?

What happened to the diagram of all blood elves are high elves, but not all high elves are blood elves?

[Lorithyn-agamaggan (Lorithyn)]

I would throw mana bombs in High Elf thread posts if I could

Which pro High Elf poster hurt you?

[Akaiu-blackwater-raiders]

I’ve never been an outspoken advocate for this, but at the same time, I don’t see why High Elves shouldn’t be added. Seems like it would make a lot of people happy. Wouldn’t that be a good thing?

[Murgatroyd-lightbringer (Murgatroyd)]

You talk as if it didn’t mean a radical shift in culture.

It’s only been 15 years, but by all means please elaborate on the specifics embodied in this radical shift. Did their design philosophies in architecture change? Their literature? Their taste in music or art? If so, I’m sure there will be no problem with you citing canonical references to those changes.

[Cassima-greymane (Cassima)]

I can imagine it making the devs happy, since it would cause a lot of players to buy race-changes. I’d personally be buying three myself.

[Fliktarg-emerald-dream]

Like I said in my other post: People claim the lore ALL the way up until the 3rd war happened. Same people, same city, same royal family and all. But then will be like “We got a few betrayers. We will go with that.” And ignore everything else. Then say “But they aren’t High elves. We have the betrayers!”.

The issue is you either refuse to acknowledge or are unable to comprehend that we are asking for a specific type of the thalassian race that collectively is known as and refers to themselves as high elves. They do not refer to themselves as void elves or blood elves.

When we say they aren’t “High elves” we are not saying they are not the thalassian race we are saying they are not the group referred to as high elves.

[Murgatroyd-lightbringer (Murgatroyd)]

The issue is you either refuse to acknowledge or are unable to comprehend that we are asking for a specific type of the thalassian race that collectively is known as and refers to themselves as high elves. They do not refer to themselves as void elves or blood elves.

When we say they aren’t “High elves” we are not saying they are not the thalassian race we are saying they are not the group referred to as high elves

I think the issue is a far more fundamental one. I’m pretty sure everyone (ok, almost everyone in deference to someone who can’t read well that I may have missed) knows that what’s being asked for the is the offshoot of Thalassians continuing to identify as High Elves.

Understanding that request in no way means agreeing with it…and many people don’t.

[Fliktarg-emerald-dream]

Where does it say that High Elves and Blood Elves are two different races?

This is not the argument nor has it ever been the argument. This is you coming in with a third wheel debate that has no bearing to the ongoing discussion.

We have always recognized them as the same race. Simply put that doesn’t matter though as we don’t play races we play factions of races. It is referred to as race because “groups” doesn’t really fit well for RPG terms.

[Ravenlea-area-52 (Ravenlea)]

If Blizz let me play High Elves, with all the classes Blood Elves can play, I’d transfer all my Horde characters to Alliance (even the non BE ones) and never return. And therein lies the problem - tons of Horde would do the same.

Mud huts and pyramids are absolutely not my thing and I love the Alliance. But I love Blood Elves more.

[Fliktarg-emerald-dream]

I think the issue is a far more fundamental one. I’m pretty sure everyone (ok, almost everyone in deference to someone who can’t read well that I may have missed) knows that what’s being asked for the is the offshoot of Thalassians continuing to identify as High Elves.

Understanding that request in no way means agreeing with it…and many people don’t.

this is true but this isn’t just a disagreement of the request. This is them mostly saying we want the entirety of the thalassian elves including the blood elves and their unique culture rather than the specific group we continuously outline.

[Leinadh-stormrage]

Fliktarg, I’m out of likes, but here’s a ton of them, all for you! Love your wonderful posts:

[Murgatroyd-lightbringer (Murgatroyd)]

this is true but this isn’t just a disagreement of the request. This is them mostly saying we want the entirety of the thalassian elves including the blood elves and their unique culture rather than the specific group we continuously outline.

What does that mean?

Yes it is a disagreement regarding the request; you want something that other people - myself included - don’t want made available to you.

It doesn’t begin to become complicated until the various individual reasons for why we don’t are surfaced - then you’ll find a variety of reasons.

[Fliktarg-emerald-dream]

False. You are an exception and not the rule.

and if anything A mass migration would probably HELP the current faction imbalance. When we ran the math 2-3 years ago at the time it was determined that out of the 120 population it would take 30% of all blood elves of the eligible classes to faction swap to make the faction imbalance worse than it was. Since then the faction imbalance has gotten worse in favor of the horde.

[Ravenlea-area-52 (Ravenlea)]

The primary driver of Horde faction imbalance is Blood Elves, however.

[Fliktarg-emerald-dream]

but an argument constantly being used against the request is basically us wanting all thalassian elves in existence in the alliance under the name “High elf”. This would include the horde blood elves when this isn’t true at all to our request.