youre right a city open about its neutrality and their complete absence from the fourth war proves me wrong. the SC will never join the alliance on the battlefield without the context of dalran and we all know it. only 2 took off the uniform and showed up for the alliance in the 4th war and to do so they had to put on a 7th legion uniform. thats it
anyway im out for the night, weve danced this dance before. im just waiting for the blood elf advanced customization options at this point. cant wait to see where this discussion goes then
Itâs like you are unable to grasp nuance. Like for real, that the SC is alliance aligned doesnât mean that the Kirin Torâs neutrality affects how much they can act since⊠they live in their frigging city.
And yet, to claim that any race that wasnât involved on the 4th War isnât alliance, wowee, sucks to be broken, frost dwarf and jinyu.
Oh, and the Silver Covenant actually ended up showing during the 4th War outside orgrimmar. heh
Right, so you agree that the Silver Covenant is a small Militia Group owned by Dalaran, and not the Alliance.
Oh, like you are actually doing that right now? Feigning Ignorance.
You know the difference betweena Nightborne and High Elves? Nightborne spent 10,000 years in isolation and have changed quite a fair bit to be something different from the Night Elves. High Elves have not been in any isolation, and like the Blood Elves, they went through no physical changes.
Ok, then, quoted from the same thread:
2: "Blizzard did Pandaren for both sides, they can do Blood/High Elves on both sides! How could it dilute faction identity more than Pandaren?"
Iâm going to go ahead and say most people asking for High Elves donât play Pandaren. Why? Because they represent the lowest number of players within their own faction out of ALL races. Last number estimates show about 2.5%, per faction. Combined across all of WoW, roughly 1 in 20 plays a Pandaren, whereas Blood Elf numbers are the most populous among Horde races, having been roughly equal to Human numbers in Alliance for most of WoW since TBC.
Also, for or those that donât know, Blizzard regrets doing Pandaren as a Neutral race, to the point that I can say weâll likely never see another Neutral race. Since MoP, itâs basically impossible to write Pandaren lore now, because their forces are split faction, and we havenât seen them do anything notable in WoW since MoP. Their identity is basically nothing.
What official source is there to say that the Silver Covenant has been recruiting, or let alone, is a large group.
Oh right, lets pretend that there is no Humans working with the Horde, no Goblins friendly with the Alliance, etc. The fact that youâre only using the Silver Covenant as the only thing proves that you really donât know much about the Silver Covenant much at all.
Tell me, when does joining the âAlliance Expeditionâ means that they become part of the Alliance.
You might want to say that to Ion then. Tell him that he is the one telling bullsh*t.
Oh look, another Joyuese. Post with Authority, think they are right about everything while ignoring everything else.
sure bud, vereesa appearing as alleria arm candy with no speaking lines implies the SC were there just invisible right? lets completely ignore the context as usual where alleria is there to convince the horde/alliance leaders to simply call off the attack, that sylvanas has the perfect army to face off against nzoth so why not just let them kill each other? she gets shot down and implies she and her sister will go scout with nary a mention of the SC. get real man
No, itâs an alliance aligned militia which resides in Dalaran, because itâs comprised of Dalarani citizenry. They are not âownedâ by Dalaran, from their inception they have been a group of Dalarani aligned with Alliance interests. How is this sho hard to get?
You literally said âpeople ignore these concernsâ when you and I both know well they have been answered once and once again. Iâm not saying you should agree with the answers, but itâs so disingenuous to claim they have been unanswered when they have been addressed to high heavens.
And you dismiss the whole part about difference being behavioral, lifestyle, aesthetics and cultural.
Also IDK where did you quote this, cause itâs just more subjective reasoning.
What does the first paragraph even means for faction identity? That because there are so much more BE that could turn HE it will be more noticeable because they are playable? So faction identity is predicated by how many people play a certain race, a popularity content? Sure BE are the epitome of Horde identity.
And Blizzard doesnât regret doing Pandaren; only Ghostcrawler has officially said that, and this quote misatributes the problem with Pandaren lore to their neutrality rather than their lack of set up on each faction. Unlike Blood and High Elves, which have been part of their factions since at least 2006 To compare the lack of Pandaren identity to the Elven evident split is ludicrous; Horde Blood Elves and Alliance High Elves have literally killed each other, they have launched assaults against one another. Their animosity and place on their factions leaves the Huojin and Tushuii divide in shame.
RECURRING, it means it has shown up several times since 2008.
Come on, there are currently 3 High Elven groups in the alliance (SC, Highvale and Allerian, but now I guess you will tell me how they arenât part of the alliance eitherâŠ) without counting all the scattered alliance tagged high Elves. THOSE already alliance High Elves could unify.
Iâm not even mentioning neutral HEâs like the KT or HEâs that have worked more with the Horde.
Honey we have been saying so since for ever!! I like the guy, but that doesnât mean I donât think his answer was BS. Donât you realize that we think heâs wrong about this? He is not infallible.
You literally said that âeveryone ignores these pointsâ and I called you on that BS. Iâm not telling you to agree with the points, but they HAVE been addressed, multiple times, so you are either lying or that aloof.
And I love the BE side of things personally, I actually love that they were made part of the Horde, love that journey for them.
But itâs ridiculous that because I like the Blood Elves somehow I shouldnât want to play High Elves and follow their choices. I love the idea of civil war, especially on a game about faction War; the High/Blood debacle would have been perfect for WoW and the faction war, yet we are beholden to reductive notions of faction exclusivity that hinder what could be awesome narratives where kin fights kin.
You know who else uses blue recolours of blood elf stuff? And who has been much more important in the story this xpac? And who is actually all in on the Alliance?
Civil war in Quelâthalas would be my dream, not only the VE HE team up would be amazing, but the NB/BE? Iâ live for that (Lorâthemar+Thalysra leading their peoples together in a new age?? YES)
And yet Void Elves have never used ballistas before this point, unlike High Elves, whose Ranger General is right there too. Like occamâs razor my dude.