Honestly the idea that the expat High Elves should have dropped everything to return to Quelâthalas to rebuild it is just a very weird one, as if they didnât had lives were they were, as if those lives were less important than rebuilding their kingdom.
Itâs not a clear cut answer, but the stance that they are obviously on the wrong for not returning to QT just seems very biased.
You both understand we donât like the HighborneâŠright? Yes, a small group of the members of one tiny sect of arcanists that bailed after the Sundering have been accepted into Night Elf SocietyâŠagainst our better judgement, I might addâŠbut the Highborne as a whole? No thanks.
If it was my decision, Night Elves would never have been able to become mages. The distrust of the arcane in ingrained into the history of the Night Elves.
Yeah if I had to choose between going back to a previous home to defend people that I may have been related to but never wanted to interact to, or defending my new home and people I considered family and friends, Iâd stay put.
I still donât get why the Highborne convinced the Night Elves to allow the practice of Arcane magic within there people.
Oh for sure you knew what he meant; hence the whole âfeigning ignoranceâ bit, goose! Thereâs no doubt your posture is simply anti high elf on the alliance -which is fine-
That âweâ sounds more like an âIâ.
Considering that Tyrande let the Shrendalar reunite with the rest of NE society and teach new mages, I think at this point -despite the dissent of the likes of you, and Maiev- that the Highborne are integrated on NE society is not up for debate lol. Sure you can be a radical anti Highborne, but itâs evident that NE society allowed them back since Cata.
Exactly, itâs like saying that your life is owed to the kingdom even if you didnât particularly liked the kingdomâs decisions. Itâs like saying you canât disagree with the state and the majority, which is, you know, kinda uber nationalist.
Especially since some of the ones that did fight for Quelâthalas were booted out anyway for not wanting to mana tap creatures.
Thanks for the help, now go starve in the plaguelands!
To be fair playable nelf mages arenât Highborne.
Quelâthalas has always seemed to have a strict âMy way or the Highwayâ kinda political culture and perhaps it only just got worse after the decimation of their race. Itâs not hard to believe that there was always elves that would rather live somewhere else with less restrictions and have animosity towards Quelâthalas as well; both things that ultimately could make the idea to return to rebuild it, and leave the life you have built elsewhere, not appealing.
And indeed, that not counting the ones that were literally booted out for refusing to follow the new doctrine.
Some of them, and Tyrande has been wrong before - like ultimately, along with Malfurion, deciding to exile the Highborne after Ashenvale instead of killing every last one of them.
And yes, if weâre going to stay in RPLand, as a Night Elf Druid I have a deep and lasting distrust of all things arcane and those who re-introduced it into our society.
My point was that there should be no Night Elf mages at all. In the same way that there are no Human (or were not until KT Druids were handwaved into existence), Draenei, Gnomish, or Dwarven Druids. The history of the âlowbornâ who are the gameâs Night Elves is one of rejecting and exiling the Highborne over their use - and misuse - of the arcane.
Thatâs a big [citation needed].
Tbf we all know why they did it. They want every race to have Mages, warriors, priests and hunters even though orcs still donât have priests.
Thanks Obama.
Thereâs a lot of things that would be different if they were up to me. Just like I would never have created void elves and would make a way for high elves instead (even if it meant changing them somehow), itâs pointless to deny night elf mages now. You and your character may dislike them, just like my character dislikes being a void elf, but unfortunately for both of us, Blizzard loves to stomp on its own lore.
I mean, is it too much of an extrapolation when Quelâthalas fulfilled its obligation to the line of Arathor with the bare minimum effort, and too the first opportunity to be done with the alliance?
Like letâs not fool ourselves, Quelâthalas as a political entity was never in the alliance out of love, it was only duty and then convenience.
Which again, what you think âshouldâ be is moot since the lore literally says that that the Shrendalar were let back into NE society and the ban in arcane was lifted and new generations were started to be trained. Those are the facts.
You can argue it doesnât make sense, but that will be subjective. Considering that the Night Elves allied themselves with other races that used arcane, and that the reason WHY they banned arcane became mooth after the second legion invasion, why would it make sense to continue handicapping themselves?
High elves are blood elves with blue eyes. Add a blue eye contact lens. Done!
Theyâre on the Alliance since they have that.
A couple of thingsâŠ
First, I donât think we would have been handicapped anymore than Gnomes, Dwarves, Draenei, or pre-KT Humans are handicapped by not having Druids.
Second, no, the reason the Highborne were exiled was a magical assault on Ashenvale. The Druidic mistrust of the Arcane did not become moot. There are a few Shenâdralar - the survivors of Dire Maul - who found a home in Darnassus. Weâre not buddies:
The Highborne Shenâdralar sorcerers from Dire Maul eventually settled in Darnassus. Many night elves were wary of their guests as they dredged up painful memories from the past. The Highborne in particular were treated with suspicion and even open hostility.[11
Itâs an open question as to how many - if any - survived TeldrassilâŠas there were not many to begin withâŠso with any luck theyâre all dead.
Not just mages, but even druids and priests.
" The Shenâdralar were allowed a cautious return among their kaldorei brethren, with some young night elves being trained by them to become new night elven mages, and, conversely, some of the Highborne taking up the druidic arts or being initiated into Eluneâs priesthood, major societal changes that marked the first steps towards reconciliation between the Highborne and wider night elven society." From wowpedia.
I love high elves