The High Elf Love Thread 🥰

[Hecatone-burning-legion (Hecatone)]

Which isn’t the only argument.

Funny you should say that, it was the point I was making.

High Elves, only that most of them seem to be either in bad faith, or relying on Lore that may no longer be as steady.

We could definitely say the same thing about those who argue for playable Alliance high elves.

[Ariiah-wyrmrest-accord (Ariiah)]

Funny you should say that, it was the point I was making.

Which is also the point I was making. There’s a reason I said ‘some’ and not all.

[Guzzle-barthilas]

It’s also a bit dishonest to suggest that I’m saying that every post that’s ever been against High Elves is ‘just people being pricks’, don’t you think? I never said that at all.

Some people just like being kill-joys I guess.

[Ariiah-wyrmrest-accord (Ariiah)]

Guzzle… come on.

[Hecatone-burning-legion (Hecatone)]

Guzzle… come on.

He has a point.

[Fezzy-draenor (Fezzy)]

He doesn’t.

[Hecatone-burning-legion (Hecatone)]

It’s not the asking. It’s the way some people deny us the same courtesy to raise our concerns about what we feel might go wrong with it. We’re told we’re not sincere and just in it to be nasty for nastiness’s sake.

Other people who are asking for an allied race deal with differing opinions much better.

[Ariiah-wyrmrest-accord (Ariiah)]

He has a point.

No, he doesn’t. He has made some fair points before but this isn’t one of them.

Saying some people argue in bad faith, troll, have good points, laugh a lot, etc isn’t saying everyone whoever argues from a particular side of a discussion is in that one category.

Otherwise we wouldn’t be able to have a discussion at all. The fact people can disagree or agree, even if they’re not all on the same pages, suggests that we can. We’re chatting right now, after all. Even if we disagree.

[Guzzle-barthilas]

Guzzle… come on.

Some people just like being kill-joys I guess.

Most responses I’ve seen that are against the idea don’t hold up very well as they tend to be some variation of ‘no because I said so’. And then the other camp of against seem to be relying on lore that no longer seems as reliable.

I’m not saying that there aren’t legitimate arguments against High Elves, only that most of them seem to be either in bad faith, or relying on Lore that may no longer be as steady.

Sorry, my mistake.

You said that most posts against high elves are being pricks.

[Fezzy-draenor (Fezzy)]

We’d all be better off if folk would be less aggressive about all this. Lol

[Hecatone-burning-legion (Hecatone)]

Forgive me, I didn’t realize you were beyond reproach.

[Hecatone-burning-legion (Hecatone)]

You said that most posts against high elves are being pricks.

I get it, we just have to use qualifiers from now on.

[Guzzle-barthilas]

We’d all be better off if folk would be less aggressive about all this. Lol

You mean like constantly trying to dismiss other people’s concerns as them being spiteful?

That would be a nice change.

[Fezzy-draenor (Fezzy)]

Yeah. I mean on both sides. I’ve seen this place fall to literal name calling like 12 times… In a few days.

[Avarie-farstriders]

I understand some of the concerns, but what are we supposed to do, give up on a race we enjoy? What sort of response to concerns are people looking for exactly?

[Hecatone-burning-legion (Hecatone)]

After doing the whole reduction/dismisal thing, she didn’t much like having it done to her.

[Fezzy-draenor (Fezzy)]

Of course not. And i certaintly don’t have a good answer. Can’t control folk. Just gotta respond calmly as one can to their points I guess.

[Avarie-farstriders]

Other people who are asking for an allied race deal with differing opinions much better.

I am talking about this. How do others deal with opposing opinions to your satisfaction? What is satisfactory to you?

[Ariiah-wyrmrest-accord (Ariiah)]

Because from what I’ve seen in at least two threads, that seems to be the case. Not that most anti’s themselves are like that, only that most responses from the most common posters. Sometimes people just get an attitude and I can’t fault anyone for that, really. As long as they’re not consistently bothering people, obviously.

Being fair, it’s a subject that’s come up since …what, forever?

My observations of the conversation since the Mega-thread are of course anecdotal, as anyone’s experience tends to be. I’m just speaking from my own experience here.

There’s bad faith actors on both sides, though …I shouldn’t need to have to point that out, I would think.

[Guzzle-barthilas]

I understand some of the concerns, but what are we supposed to do, give up on a race we enjoy?

No one’s saying that you should stop asking. And yeah, the end-goal of the strictest interpretation for the anti position would be the abandonment of the pro position. However that doesn’t mean there has to be these constant moral judgements and personal attacks.