Thatâs just a meaningless hoop you set up and told us to jump through because youâre sure we canât find the exact thing that youâre looking for to concede the point. Not to mention I have a sneaking suspicion that if we did find one, youâd find a reason that that didnât count.
We as people are talking about high elves, and a good chunk of us use the term to describe all the groups that formed out of the high elves of WC2 and 3 since thatâs where they came from. So it really doesnât have any relevance whether the npcs in the game wandering around greeting each other âHello, fellow high elves!â
Maybe it might be better if we just use the Titles given then, Like Quelâdorei, Sinâdorei, Renâdorei so there is no mistake of whats being talked about.
Thereâs more in-game evidence of void elves considering themselves the same people as blood elves than of blood elves being treated as the same as high elves.
Metzen forgot what Eredar were⊠Theyâre not the be all end all. They literally rewrote an entire section of very important lore, and then afterwards realized it and apologized saying that they forgot. Now we have Draenei.
Ion and Metzen are wonderful folk and are in the driver seat⊠Theyâre not 100% on their own lore though. Also they routinely change said lore with retcons.
And we knew those statements were wrong because of conflicting evidence. What evidence is there that theyâre both wrong on this? This is one of those rare situations where the burden of proof lies with the negative argument.
Ion and Metzen are not right because they have to be right, however their expert status is such their accounts are legitimate evidence.
I also canât provide an in-universe source that says Blood Elves canât be called Methamphetamineâdorei. SoâŠ
It absolutely does.
There isnât a single BE or VE, in-universe, that refers to their broader ethnicity as âHigh Elfâ; while there are numerous examples of BEâs or VEâs referring to their broader ethnicity as âchildren of Quelâthalasâ or âsons/daughters of Quelâthalasâ.
It isnât a matter of opinion.
And we as people talking about High Elves are doing them, and the franchise, a disservice by using improper terminology.
What evidence is there that Ion and Chris are employing an objectively incorrect term to refer to the broader ethnicity of the BEâs, VEâs, and HEâs? I provided it above, numerous times, you just donât like it because you want to be able to prattle on about âBlood Elves are High Elvesâ with impunity.
Neither is the fact that this whole nonsense was brought into this conversation by you.
It has no bearing on the conversation, it is a distortion of someone elseâs statement made so you could strawman it and dismiss it out of hand.
We are not talking about what the various high elves call each other, we are talking about the fact that theyâre all high elves. YOU have declared that wrong and are flailing around to try and frame your statement as the correct one.
That isnât why the subject was brought up â rather, there were numerous instances wherein the expression âBlood Elves are High Elvesâ was being utilized to suggest there didnât exist social, cultural, political, or circumstantial differences between the Horde-aligned BEâs or the Alliance-aligned HEâs.
Which is why Iâve posited that we would be better served, as a community, by utilizing proper terminology to refer to these groups. And it would seem, based upon in-universe examples, that referring to the broader ethnicity as âThalassiansâ is infinitely more appropriate than referring to the broader ethnicity as âHigh Elvesâ.
If youâve got any citation(s) that can paint the picture another way, Iâm all ears â otherwise, sad as this will make me, âBlood Elves are High Elvesâ is a misleading half-truth and should be treated as such.
A primary source is any piece of information that provides direct evidence. An account by the author is obviously direct evidence.
So in the absence of evidence we revert to the negative by default. However there is evidence for the positive argument in this instance. You might argue the weight due to that evidence but the fact 9f the matter is an explicit statement by the author is evidence.
You have to disprove that evidence to change the weight of probability. You havenât provided any evidence against it. All your evidence neither proves nor disproves the argument presented.
Iâve literally never said âIâm a primateâ out loud, but that doesnât mean Iâm not one.
That isnât how primary sources work in fiction â because there wasnât actually any event for them to be primarily sourcing. By all means, Google it.
I would argue weight.
No BE, or VE, ever making an in-universe reference to their being a part of a broader ethnicity called âHigh Elfâ > Ion or Chris calling them High Elves, out-of-universe.
Of course they will never say âAbandon hope, people who pay subscription fees, what you want will never happen.â
They gain nothing by that, it will still be argued against (âSure, they say that nowâŠbut remember Flying?!? As soon as Ion gets fired his replacement could change that direction!â), it encourages no new subscriptions, and some people will quit.
Iâve heard âat least we would have closure.â but no we wouldnât, not for a lot of people, the demands would go based on âthey could change their mindsâ.
Thereâs no upside to issuing a definitive ânoâ.
Thalassian is 10 keystrokes (16 if you put elves after it)
High Elf is 8, (or 6 if you use helves)
Plus we all know how to spell high elves, thalassians gets you with the made up name problem of which letter is doubled and spelling problems. High elf is easier.
And again the whole overarching argument is on the degree of how extensive those social, cultural and political differences are. How different are the lodge elves from the official ranger organization other than not liking the current government? So to label the opposition view as misleading is just trying to dismiss us out of hand.
And no, Blood Elves are high elves is a fact as repeated by the people who are in charge of the story.
Iâm pretty sure that people who are majorly involved in the crafting of the fiction are THE primary source for information about that fiction. Itâs why in a lot of fan sites statements from the people behind the story are listed as âWord of Godâ
