Yes the SC and the Sunreavers just never existed nor were they holdings faction exclusive. Now your ignorance is reaching levels of being borderline on purpose.
One is literally horde, the other literally alliance. The moment the city changed its neutrality one attacked the other. You have proven an exceptional ability to simply not understand context. are you Fire?
Well the difference between the Sunreavers and the Silver Covenant is that the Sunreavers were Blood elves that returned to Dalaran, while the Silver Covenant were already members of the Kirin Tor that came together to form the Silver Covenant. So while the Sunreavers allegiences are first and foremost dedicated to the Sinâdorei, and by the extension the Horde, the Silver Covenantâs allegiances lie first and foremost with Dalaran, which has pledged itself to never take sides in the Faction conflict again.
No, it literally means that while Dalaran is a neutral (or most of the time) city, it allows specific districts of it to belong to either Alliance or Horde in the spirit of cooperation.
You know, like it was presented in WotLK and most people didnât have an issue understanding.
That really feels like an arbitrary distinction that doesnât reflect how the SC has acted as agents and allies of the Alliance in the same manner Sunreavers have been of the Horde.
You are holding the SC to a different standard because it simply suits you, when itâs a lot more likely that the SC and the Sunreavers were given the same duties and privileges in order for any cooperation to exist within the city. Itâs really kind of unthinkable that the SC would have accepted to be held to different and more restrictive standards than the Sunreavers when their whole existence is based on their opposition.
I donât think itâs arbitrary at all though, even in the novels Vareesa refers to the city of Dalaran as âherâ city, and her âhomeâ so it makes sense that her, and the Silver Covenantâs allegiances lie first and foremost with Dalaran, while the Sunreavers were Blood elves whoâve just returned to Dalaran after the Horde was accepted into the city.
Iâm not holding the Silver Covenant to a different standard, Iâm acknowledging a distinction between how these two groups were formed, and how it relates to their loyalties. One group was formed from Quelâthalas (A Horde capital) and the other group was formed from Dalaran (A Neutral capital) I think itâs strange to ignore this distinction simply because it might not suit your agenda.
It also explains why we have not seen Vareesa or the Silver Covenant fighting for the Alliance en mass since Dalaran pulled itself from the faction conflict, and why theyâve been mysteriously absent throughout BFA, an expansion centered heavily on the war between the Alliance and Horde. Unless Dalaran somehow becomes involved in one way or another, I do not believe weâll be seeing the Silver Covenant High elves fighting in any significant capacity.
The problem is not necessarily your interpretation, but the ramifications that stem from it. You are implying that somehow the SC is âlessâ alliance, when they have been more often than not presented exclusively, and belligerently, as such.
Nonetheless, a big thing about the Sunreavers is that they considered Dalaran their home as much as the Kirin tor and the SC do, so even the origin you claim distinct is not really that different, even Jaina herself acknowledges that Dalaran is as much the Sunreavers home as them.
The difference is that the SC arguably never left Dalaran and never left the alliance at any point, while the Sunreavers did, but both called the city once their home. Again, you are indeed holding them to a different standard.
As does any other NPC faction that we have seen H or A not taking an active role in the faction war.
I canât understand that either. Anyone can take a quick peak at the named SC NPCs and will see about 3 hunters (including Vereesa) and more than 10 mages.
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Silver_Covenant
Itâs like they think the Silver Covenant is 100% based on Vereesa. Just because sheâs a ranger doesnât mean the entire organization is comprised of rangers.
this is false and im quite surprised softsong you usually get things right
the high elf magisters that co founded dalaran were expats. they were always the most progressive of their people. and they had a name, the sunreavers
jaina even cites this and credits the sunreavers as being productive citizens for over 2000 years and even helping humans discover magic
we know how committed aethas was to the kirin tor. kael himself spent most of his time in dalaran even before it was destroyed and he returned
the SC were NOT members of the kirin tor. they are clearly former farstriders like vereesa who found a life there and just kept living it. just like skwerl said the vast majority of the sc are hunters, as exemplified by the fact that they are associated with the hunter order during the legion campaign. there are a few non sc hunters, but they are primarily hunter types. even the leader claims the title of ranger general, rippng off the farstrider leader. the kirin tor would have no need for hunters and if vereesa wasnt rhonins wife they wouldnt even exist
you only have 2 in SW. the 2 SC portal keepers are on loan from dalaran, technically they are neutral and everybody knows it
in legion dalaran pretty much every high elf is neutral. the SC are nowhere to be found. the silver enclave was even renamed possibly to show dalarans return to strong neutrality
allerian stronghold is a joke. they likely returned with their captain auric to quelâthalas with the portal re opened and sick of fighting
quelâdanil has a few elves who traveled south of quelâthalas to live out their exile. they didnt go to stormwind to join a faction war
sorry raising children in dalaran or living in a hut in the hinterlands has nothing to do with serving the alliance. how sad the response to no alliance high elf hubs is pointing to these places that arent even in alliance territory
also daily reminder the SC is a splinter faction of high/blood elves and that the race is already playable
Nah man, itâs like you forgot the Purge of Dalaran and Isle of Thunder. And by your obtuse logic, I guess any alliance group that didnât participating on BfA rescinded their faction card because you said so.
I was counting the High Elven Sorceress in the mage quarter but as always, you have no clue what you are talking about. At least you are consistent.
Yeah I really donât care about what you have to say and I have been clear about it. Please continue be a flat eather about HE factions and npcâs being on the alliance not being alliance without me, just know that as always, your arguments are poor and although I once genuinely replied to them, I wonât bother anymore to repeat to you things you are unable to grasp.
My argument has never been that they arenât allied with the Alliance, but rather that their allegiances lie first, and foremost with Dalaran as they are all Dalaran citizens unlike the members of the Sunreavers. This is why Jaina had to go to Wrynn and tell him that Dalaran has joined the Alliance, despite the fact that they were always allies of the Alliance.
Yes, they can consider it their home but they are still not Dalaran citizens, they are citizens of Quelâthalas. This is why we see them operating outside of Dalaranâs association when they arrive to attack Jaina under Orgimmar. Itâs why Aethas Sunreaver reports to Lorâthemar first and foremost, and why Rommath warns him against trusting Dalaran fully after the events of WC3.
Acknowledging disparities is not holding them to different standards, as both groups formed under different circumstances. The SC were neutral Dalaran citizens before Vareesa decided to create the Silver Covenant, so it makes sense that they abide the laws and decisions of their city. Once Dalaran declared itself neutral, so did they.
NPC factions allying with the Alliance during whichever expansion is not the same as dedicating themselves to their war outside whichever narrative they appeared. This feels more like a contrived argument. Vareesa is big name, and important leader who played big role during Argus when we did not see any of these NPC factions either, and yet she mysteriously vanished from the spotlight the moment Dalaran did. Coincidence? I doubt it.
Every significant allied race willing to fight for the Alliance has been present in some fashion during BFA, if it were Blizzardâs intention to imply that the Silver Covenant is operational, and active force in the Alliance Iâm confident they would have shown us in some capacity, especially when the Alliance was said to be drafting farmers and civilians to fight for them. Alas, for some reason Vareesa