Good to know sheâs doing ok. ty!
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Well thatâs ironic.
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You might be right, however * No Survivors in Silvermoon, is not the same as No Survivors of Silvermoon. The Survivors fled Silvermoon, thus there would technically be no survivors in Silvermoon. However the Kingdom of Quelâthalas wasnât/isnât just Silvermoon, so there were Survivors of Quelâthalas, they just chose to flee Silvermoon.
Is Kirela okay? She seems to have gone off the deep end lately.
You can ask her on the disc if you really care.
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oh? How so?
Yeah that doesnât make sense. As long as a single elf is living anywhere in the world, you can never say there are no survivors of Silvermoon.
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Regardless it was empty and nothing was living there.
The playable Blood Elf group was retconned in to be survivors who rebuilt after Kaelâthas fled to Outland.
The first lore was that all of the Blood Elves where with Kaelâthas in Outland.
It stayed the same in Vanilla WoW with all of the ones not being part of Kaelâthas group still being High Elves in the Alliance and a few other areas.
BC came and they added a new group separate from Kaelâthas group so they could add Blood Elves to the Horde.
Originally Blood Elves where meant to be nothing but Villains in outland so they needed to add a new group not quite as bad to become playable.
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Itâs not a retcon. And it would just make alliance high elves even rarer if not non-existant. There is no more mention of high elves after the destruction of Dalaran and a few going with Jaina. Everything switches to blood elf from then on. Thatâs the retcon and backed up by lore unlike your unsupported opinions.
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They are in the freaking gameâŠ
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It was indeed a retcon. Thalassian elves are a very rare sight in Classic, so far Iâve only seen one High Elf and one Blood Elf. Thatâs because prior to TBC Silvermoon was in ruins and abandoned, the remaining Blood Elves on Azeroth becoming a scattered and near extinct people. The only gathering of them in Classic that Iâm currently aware of is a lodge that the Horde attacks in an attempt to slaughter as many High Elves as possible
TBC retconed their population back into being (and did a major disservice to Kaelâthasâ character too, which Iâm still mad about). Thatâs when they became a part of the Horde identity. Not what wouldâve happened had the story remained consistent, but the Blood Elves were written pretty well in TBC
I feel like I went off on a tangent there⊠My apologies
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Iâm not 100% sure I agree entirely. At their last appearance in TFZ theyâd left the Alliance in fairly spectacular fashion and by the back half of that campaign they were well on their way to becoming the blood elves we know today. If theyâd remained consistent with their writing, it wouldnât have made sense for them to join the Alliance or Horde and instead remain with Illidan as either antagonists, a neutral faction or a third faction in their own right.
But (and itâs a big but), I feel that the Hordeâs core values more closely align with that of the reborn blood elves. Even in WC3 they were very clearly fixed on the concept of rebirth and basically starting again. This is a concept that fits in perfectly with the Horde, but clashes quite strongly with the Allianceâs focus on tradition.
Sure, the orcs and the blood elves had beef in the past but the orcs were clearly trying to remake themselves as the blood elves were and part of that is forgetting old grudges.
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I completely agree. It wouldâve made sense if the Blood Elves hadnât joined either faction. They definitely had more beef with the Horde at the time, they wouldnât have liked Orcs, Trolls or the Forsaken, but the way they were written in was well done
The new Blood Knights put them at odds with the traditional paladins of the Alliance, and the Forsaken providing aid to them as the nearest possible ally helped make that relationship much more believable
Ultimately it seems like, imo at least, Blizzard just wanted to do blood elves as a playable race because theyâre such a longtime race within the series and as a side bonus it would allow them to keep the Horde playerbase from collapsing in BC which was probably a pretty good move.
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Aye. Iâll make the argument that the Blood Elves wouldnât have joined the Horde prior to TBC, but only because of what we knew at the time. Blizz made the right decision in the end
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Theramore is still in the game?
Except the words used in the in-game book âSunwell - The Fall of Quelâthalasâ are:
By the time Arthas and his army of the dead turned southward, not one living elf remained in QuelâThalas. The glorious homeland of the high elves, which had stood for more than nine thousand years, was no more.
No living elf remained in Quelâthalas.
That was the lore before TBC retconned it.
Back then, high elves were Alliance and blood elves were the ones with Kaelâthas. Lorâthemar, Rommath, Halduron, Liadrin and all the survivors in Quelâthalas were created after vanilla, just so the Horde could have its blood elves.
(Funny thing, I just noticed another retcon: the book says QT endured for nine thousand years, but Chronicle makes its foundation around 7,000 years ago. Thatâs just to show how lore changes all the time.)
Hereâs the link:
Your post wasnât restricted to Theramore. You even cited Dalaran, and we know thereâs lot of high elves in Dalaran. Your post was about how there was no mention in lore to high elves after the events you cited.
Except that the high elves have appeared in WoW vanilla and every single expansion since.
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We canât be sure there that are a lot of High Elves in Dalaran. We see quite a few in game, but itâs stated that theyâre uncommon even there. It is the city with the largest population of Thalassian elves outside of Silvermoon, though
It is correct that there have been Alliance High Elves since vanilla and every expansion with the exception of WoD, too
this book means nothing, it probably wasnt even written by a high/blood elf. everyone knows the high elves who survived scattered and went into hiding in the woods. some were lucky enough to be away at the time housed in dalaran or traveled with jaina to theramore(who would die later). theron would regroup and gather the survivors. kael did the same in dalaran
The surviving elves were somewhat scattered, until Kaelâthas Sunstrider, son of the deceased Anasterian, began to organize them by reclaiming every elf he could find and joining with Lorâthemar Theron, who had done the same in QuelâThalas. Under Kaelâs leadership, they took the name blood elves, to remember the death of their king and brethren. About 90% of all surviving high elves became blood elves.
its possible every high elf, swept up with a sense of nationalism, accepted the rebranding in this moment and only later rejected it. we dont know, development would have to comment on it. the hut elves we know for sure accepted it and later reverted back to calling themselves âhighâ elves. so we know how easy it is to identify or change the adjective you wish to use
it doesnt matter. the dalaran high elves evacuated with kael to quelâthalas and became blood elves too. then returned with him later and settled back in sunreaver sanctuary when it was rebuilt
the majority of âhighâ elves in dalaran today are neutral citizens and have no interest in endless faction wars
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