Right, so largely from people who are quite into the game and presumably the story? It might shock you to know that most people donât read quest text.
Well, if they go that route, what they NEED to do is go through the game, flag all current helf NPCs, and turn about 95% of them into half-elves. I think that might make the helf crowd more okay with the idea. Like, imagine if the Silver Covenant was almost entirely half-elves, but with helf leaders?
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Weddingâs off.
How dare you sully Mokânathal like that?
That actually sounds plausible, the last sentence I mean.
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Mainly the possibility of playerbase balance being ruined.
Then the rippling effect that it could have in the blood elf narrative because the people blizz themselves set as the ones that abandoned their people and sat on their thumbs while everyone else solved their issues apparently will have enough autonomy to go out and travel the world as murder hobos while blood elves had to struggle to be where they are.
But as I saidâŠ
So please, donât bother saying they will not have such effects unless you have a way to back it out besides âI donât think it willâ.
Hey, it would mean you get what you want and they donât take a Hordeâs race.
Like it or not, itâs a win-win.
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Its already ruined.
What? What do helves have to do with belves? They left QuelâThalas, they donât call themselves belves, etcâŠ
If anything youâd think velves would have more of a negative effect on the belf story.
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Half elves are barely a step up from high elves. No scabs.
Iâm certainly not saying so, Iâm just pointing out how erratic the view on popularity is. Specially when I was commenting on how people claim VEâs are good because they are popular and you inserted yourself claiming that popularity isnât good when it comes to High Elves.
It would be hypocritical if you were to whom I was responding to, but since you are not, it comes of as interjecting into something that wasnât meant for you, which implies that you agree with what I was replying to.
Or you are completely devoiding my comment of its intended context.
Either way.
Personally I canât call them either a success or a failure because they are both, on different fields, and itâs such a disparity I canât give them a final grade.
They have yet to have importance and relevance lorewise, and they still feel like a non entity after 2 years, and while most AR have had little impact, VE are the only ones that came into the game with nothing covering their nut. They NEEDED it.
VEâs are a failure lorewise so far for me, that they are a success in terms of numbers doesnât change that.
Bub itâs not that hard to follow; someone said that VEâs are popular so thatâs good, then someone replied that HEâs request is popular and thatâs bad to my reply of the former.
Someone was decontextualizing what I said, just follow the replies IDK
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With a current gap at level 120 gap of 3.5%? After years of Alliance having a 5%-8% advantage? Hardly.
If you canât see how the people that did not return to their kingdom when their people was getting killed left and right (I see youâre still taking the mass exile as actual lore, but itâs been changed) while the remaining of their people along with the draenei fixed the Sunwell while they chilled at Alliance cities and, despite all this, they will be comfy enough to go out and explore the world doesnât diminish what the blood elves went through⊠then I would suggest you remove those blue glowy glasses.
At least they would have a reason to look different, even closer to humans, than modifying the high elf model when thereâs nothing backing up them looking different.
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a 6% difference is not ruined.
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Actually it is Logan, since ive literally never seen âhigh elves being popularâ is detrimental ever used as an anti argument ever.
Id like a link to a post that says that, bub.
And they cheapen the blood elf story just as much. No scaaaaabs.
Itâs even lower than that.
I donât see how. High elves becoming murder hobos despite doing nothing to gain their autonomy while the high elves renamed blood elves did everything cheapens it.
Half elves have the thing of being part of a completely different society and could be completely disconnected from the Sunwell.
I agree that they have issues, weâve talked about these in the past.
But people are playing them. In the big picture, objectively speaking, theyâre a success.
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https://realmpop.com/us.html
At 120, the Horde stands at 53.5%, and the Alliance at 46.5%. Thatâs a 7% difference, in the US. Over in the EU, the Horde is at 54.9%, and the Alliance at 45.1%. Thatâs 9.8%.
I have no idea where to check on the CH numbers, but weâre looking at what amounts to nearly a 10% difference in both regions, and a drastic affect on gameplay as a result. Warmode is a failure. Alliance only bother with it for welfare epics. End-game content is a failure. The Horde Hall of Fame fills out quickly enough but the Alliance doesnât before it closes.
Mind you, these numbers are for 120s. Thatâs to say nothing of how active people are on these characters. Most players have characters on both factions after all, but from raiding and mythic and pvp, itâs clear the Horde has the more active half of the playerbase.
How does helves suddenly being active as murder-hobos change what the belves went through? The Belves still suffered, bled, and died for a cause they believed in with all their passion. The belves still rose from the depths of defeat to build a powerful new kingdom, with fiery passion to match the new symbol on their flags.
How does the helves relying on their allies to survive change anything? I donât see the helves suddenly having a kingdom out of this. Theyâd still live in an Alliance city (Dalaran, in my opinion, bring it back, but if not, put them in Stormwind).
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Youâre right mate, completely unplayable.
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I mean, technically, the Horde was playable back in Vanilla as well, despite the difference in population.
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Oh yeah, because a 7% difference makes it so the Alliance is only technically playable. My mistake.
Well if you want to raid or do end-game contentâŠ
I keep forgetting math is not my strong suit.
And yet, that itâs nowhere near as bad as you want to paint it as. A 7% itâs nothing, and even if my math skills are that of a toddler, even I can tell that compared to the gap that danced between 5% and 8% in favor to the Alliance In US realms (while in EU the gap was even bigger) was never an issue. If it was not an issue before and if it didnât meat the Horde was âdyingâ back then, it means the Alliance is doing just fine.
When you start seeing numbers getting closer to the ones Horde had back in vanilla, then you can say for sure that the balance itâs âruinedâ.
I already argued this. Blizz can not fix the lack of interest in high end content completion.
And if tournaments are anything to go by, then it looks that the Alliance is perfectly capable of getting things done when they do try.
Third time repeating thisâŠ
Blood elves earned their autonomy, they fought tooth and nails to get to the point where they were determined enough to fight.
High elves sat back and took it easy while not caring about their kingdom and even leaving others to fix the fount of magic their lives hinged on.
This only shows that the blood elves could have simply waited for someone else to handle Kaeltâhas and the Sunwell just like the high elves did. It cheapens all theyâve done.
Theyd didnât simply rely on other.
They simply didnât care even as their own people suffered and powered through that.
EDIT:
You still have 1.899.164 possible players to pick from. Now, if they are interested on end-game content is not, is something that depends on them and no one else.
And this is my last post for the time being, I really should stop using this thread as a way to procrastinateâŠ
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I mean, they did. The Alliance has the canon victory there, and Velen restored the Sunwell.
So what, that means helves can never fight? Better tell the Silver Covenant and those 7th Legion helves to go home. Theyâre not allowed to fight anymore because it hurts the belvesâ feelings.
Oh, they cared. They just disagreed on the direction the kingdom went. When QuelâThalas needed allies against the second wave of the Amani (conveniently revitalized by the Zandalari, the belvesâ new allies), the Silver Covenant answered.
Well, helves who cared were exiled so their ability to help was rather diminished.
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