You apparently havenāt gotten what the concept of a microcosm is?
Isnāt that part of what defines a blood/high elf? But you want them to lose something and become less of a high/blood elf just to get what you want, access to the complete theme/aesthetic of a blood elf. To throw away lore and make them something they are not. So saying itās all about the lore was just a strawman correct?
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What does them cutting ties with the sunwell have to do with them becoming playable? They can be playable regardless.i think its a cool story idea so I am discussing it with another player, not stating that they have to cut their need for the sunwell to become playable. That was someone elses deal.
āTheir original eye colorā
Do we honestly even know what that is? In WC2 they were white, in vanilla/classic and in comics thereās multiple colors, in the warbringer Sylvanas cinematic we see natural brown eyes
It sounds like you guys should be arguing for a lot more than just blue eyes. To some it may feel like youāre asking specifically for blue out of spite for those who want playable High Elves, since blue eyes have been used on Alliance Queādorei more often than not
Just saying, itād be best to take that step just so there isnāt any misunderstandings
As for everything else, weāll just have to agree to disagree. Iām well aware that a majority of the thalassian race was retconed back into being and joined the Horde. Iād just like to play as one of the Alliance loyalists that still call themselves High Elves
Because you want them to discard something established as important to them. You want to them discard anything you can to distance them from blood elves.
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Me? Or someone else?
I will just say this: I am not making that suggestion in regards to the blood elf/high elf relationship at all. They dont need to discard anything. New story happens and to me that would be a good story. Anything beyond that is someone trying to read more into it than what is there for an agenda.
Population doesnāt matter when you and every paladin wields the one and only Ashbringer. If it would bother you that I would play one of the few remaining Quelādorei, Iām assuming it bothers you that every Death Knight was raised as Arthasā champion, or that every Demon Hunter became the leader of the Illidari. High Elves exist in the Alliance, thereās enough of them around
(I canāt quote people, so please excuse how sloppy thia post is going to be)
āBlood Elves are our High Elves.ā The distinction isnāt that important because like I said I agreed with him. High Elves, Blood Elves, they are the same race. It wouldāve been weird if they added High Elves as a core Alliance race at the time. Then allied races came along and shook that rule up
I donāt want to play as a Blood Elf that joined the Horde then later joined the Alliance, I want to play as a High Elf loyalist that chose his friends over his kin. Selecting a race more than anything is selecting your background. This character is a recruit from Stormwind, not a human of Alterac or Kul Tiras. Regardless itād be totally fine to add other types of playable humans
Thereās multiple flavors of humans out there, likewise there are multiple flavors of High/Blood Elves. To think otherwise is to impose self restrictions as to what an allied race can be
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Why wont yāall let this topic die?
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We all know the discussions is centered around blue eyes as thatās generally their hallmark. I donāt consider an alliance race of high elves being plausible in the least due to all the reasons already stated, so blue eyes for blood elves makes the most sense.
We all know many of the older artworks/etc donāt really hold as much weight (otheriwse thereād be farstriders everywhere with blue (or red now) tatts like Alleria, in Silvermoon/etc) and that artistic license can be used. Blue is considered their original eye color now after wowās been around for so long and itās associated with the pre-corrupted sunwell high/blood elves (because the name happened before fel usage.)
Thereās no misunderstanding, blue eyes should be an option for blood elves AND Iām against alliance getting a copy of a horde race. If the blue eyed option for blood elves forever dooms the alliance getting a carbon copy of a horde race then Iām for that as wellā¦itās a cherry on top versus the main drive. Itād be nice to have the finality.
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I dunno, itās pretty fun to discuss
Everything that could be discussed has already been discussed. All thatās left is Helfer fanfiction.
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But the warbringer Sylvanas cinematic was very recent, and they had brown eyes. Where is it written that every single thalassian had blue eyes? In truth itās something we just donāt know, which is why Iād advocate for various eye colors. Red, blue, glowing, non glowing, etc
I genuinely hope you get them, too
Iāve been having some pretty fun debates, and I feel as though Iāve made some friends in the process. I wonāt speak for everyone, but thatās why Iām here
There is a mute thread option for threads you dont want to see anymore. If you scroll down to the bottom theres an icon with a drop down list and thats how you change the settings.
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Lol He knows Kirela.
Heās pretended heās ānewā every new High Elf thread.
Heās just yet another anti troll trying to silence the topic.
Like āeverythingās been talked about so stop talking about itā even matters, weāre allowed to talk about what we wanāt on the forums, thatās the point.
Why do you care?
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Sheās got blue eyes in HoTs, etc, and many other artistic (official) depictions have them blue/greyish, Warbrginers wasnāt highly accurate in this regard especially since the majority of high elves are only ever shown with blue golwing eyes due to the arcane addiction to the arcane sunwell.
Unless you think most of the pro high elfers want brown eyed elves and wonāt vomit with rage over not getting blue eyed onesā¦watch how thatād go over. Many were already vehemently upset as soon as void elves were launched and tried to do everything they could to get fair skinned blue eyed elves.
If an alliance allied race (which would be weird since they already have one in the form of void elves, even beyond the fact the race is already playable as horde,) of high elf was added to the alliance fans would demand by and large fair skin and blue eyes and thatās what blizzard would add. Not fair skin and brown eyes, or purple, or white.
Blue eyes has been at the center of the debate, regardless if elves can have other eye colors or not (imo blizz seems to mostly be basing if off what type of magic influences them the most now,) and the end point is that adding a Horde race to the Alliance (because thatās what would be happening) is a bad idea. Itās literally a carbon copy with an eye color change, none of the non-horde based high elves have had enough time to change anything meaningful to make an new race, nor are the alliance ones representative of the main faction of their race. Dark Iron/etc donāt count since they remained on their faction with main playable version.
Blizzard isnāt going to add playable Alliance high elves (that arenāt Renādorei, technically,) and theyāve been pretty clear about it over more than a decade with fresh quotes and developer comments. It would seem theyāre more invested in the actual race, blood elves that are playable, and the offshoot of the main race that changes and moves the alliance ones forward, void elves.
Blue eyes as an option makes the most sense for blood elves, adding a copy of a race thatās thriving and playable is nonsensical.
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In most servers, horde majorly outnumber the alliance. Most of the guilds in raid progression are Horde. If High Elves redress the balance, that would make the game better. After all, you can only enjoy ganging up on a hapless Alliance toon 5:1 for so long
And I mentioned that was a legal matter. High elves are not.
Point still stands that it was something that was majorly desired by the fanbase and was initially put off and ignored, until it couldnāt be ignored any longer.
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I disagree. I also donāt think blue eyes is the make or break deal for a majority of the pro Helf crowd. But we can ask. Ill poke around in the discord as well to get a better idea
Would any of the pro Helf people here be opposed to a playable Alliance Quelādorei allied race with non-blue glowing eyes?
What makes you think itās nonsensical when it would probably have the same effect to the Alliance, which is in decline. Not that High Elves would instantly fix that, thereās plenty wrong with the game, but a long-time requested race canāt hurt, especially with how easy it is to do it now with ARs.
BTW, we already have a copy of your race in Void Elves, so weāre past your ānonsensicalā line.
And they did that without breaking lore, as you suggest in your idea.
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Two things can be true at once; making Classic meets the demands of the crowd, and it provides IP protection. Both were likely a factor
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