I guess you didnât read the title.
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My mistake, I read the replies first
I never ever said they were good reasons. I pointed out the mirror image between lorthemar considering the idea of leaving the horde for the alliance and vereesa doing the same. Clearly, characters can change their minds and possibly do that (even though we all know they wonât in the end).
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Maybe. No one knows for sure.
Because it makes no sense.
Why are you literally skimming over the fact UNTIL THIS MOMENT she was literally trying to kill the Horde and seek vengeance on them for Rhonin? She still believed that it was the entire Horde that killed Rhonin, not just Garrosh.
You are whitewashing it when it is direct.
So why is okay for an Alliance leader to just plot to join the Horde because shes full of grief, when she spent the literal expansion blaming them?
Like how do you not see that it is written badly?
It isnt a mirror. So you can stop there, because its an awful whataboutism that failed.
No its not, the idea wasnt the issue. Its the combined reasoning and idea thats the major problem.
Watch as Kirela just excuses bad writing because its a high elf NPC.
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Viriysah in a nutshell, really.
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People donât make sense when their sanity lapses. More at 11.
Because she was not plotting to join the Horde. She was plotting to join her sister in a intense moment of grief.
Sylvanas could have been in the Twilight Hammer and she would have considered it.
This has nothing to do with factions and you are missing the point.
When Thrall was split into 3 his avatar of fury threatened to wipe out the Alliance, should I hold that against him or take it in context that he was only a part of himself and that wasnât all of him, just his raw anger?
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This is quite false. The silver covenant did not join with their blood elf brethren because they opposed the Horde. It had nothing to do with the blood elf people leaving the alliance, which 99% of their population did under official orders from Anasterian.
To suggest the reason the silver covenant did not join the blood elves is because the high elves of that time left the alliance by order of the king is ridiculously false.
The only exiled high elves were in the quelâdanil lodge, and everyone else simply did not leave the alliance.
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God, this reaching must be helping with those stretches.
I got to expect when I get depressed that Ill make plans to go to North Korea and become part of their military leadership. I mean that totally makes sense when someone is is sad, right?
Right?
She was literally joining as a co-leader of the Forsaken. It says straight in the book.
What faction are the Forsaken part of Drede? Its clearly not the blue one.
Oh, so Vereesa is too emotionally manipulated to be a leader, then why are you guys supporting her?
No, because it has nothing to do with emotions either. No one realistically does something along the lines of what she does. Not even in any fantasy story.
Its just garbage writing which you guys are defending for literally no reason. Its the exact reason why I push for better high elf writing.
Who knows maybe Vereesa will get sad again and try to join Saurfang as a co-leader of the orcs? I mean that totally makes sense according to you.
When you have to go as far to use a magical split in avatars to try to defend your main npc attempting to become a forsaken leader.
But yes, you should.
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Do you have a relative there asking you to join them after a life of loss and just losing the person closest to you with the person who murdered them about to go scot free and they are your only hope to get revenge?
Context is important!
The rest if you post is literally just you disagreeing with the writing direction and getting personal. There is no point to argue that.
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Perhaps you guys should agree to disagree and continue in the discussion of why high elves will never be a thing.
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Do you see the mothers of gang violence join the gang that killed their relative because another relative is apart of it?
No, of course not. Because it would be stupid as hell.
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yes please. vereesa clearly has no strong ties to the alliance and thought about leaving dalaran to join the horde but backed out at the last second because of her children. and remains in dalaran for them not the alliance
she put the uniform on one more time in legion to help free suramar in the context of dalaran with khadgar and the kirin tor and pledged the SC to the leader of the unseen path which can be horde or alliance. after legion concluded she returned to the neutrality of dalaran
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If he wants to defend bad writing of his main npc, let him. Only does him and his cause more harm by defending it.
Just make sure to add on the megathread: âAllies of the Alliance, until we get sad and want to join the Horde.â
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Itâs not my fault you donât understand context. Or just straight up want to ignore it.
Guess I should have talked about how most of the Blood Elves are wanting to ditch as soon as itâs not longer convenient to be in the Horde instead of defending Lorâthemar and the context around that right?
But as I said earlier, trying to make clearly Alliance characters not Alliance to suit some agenda is one weird hill to die on.
You guys have fun with that.
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No the problem isnt context. The problem is it makes no godd*mn sense in any regard.
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vereesa is not alliance aligned. she is dalaran aligned, a city OPEN ABOUT ITS NEUTRALITY. if she was alliance aligned i wouldnt even bother challenging your fanfiction. you could simply point to her standing around in stormwind or standing around in bfa in boralus. you could point to the elves in SC uniforms fighting the horde in the faction war. but you cant, and never will be able to
Oh, my point was Vereesa is a garbage character. Not what you said. Context matters, Drede.
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Back up. The point, if you go back to the beginning of this exchange, is that vereesa isnât any more neutral or whatever because she considered joining the horde any more than lorthemar is neutral because he pondered the same thing, only in reverse of course. I donât see how âits bad writingâ has anything to do with that point.
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No, thats the point what you guys pointed it as. My point was that Vereesa as a character is garbage because how she is written in any book and how she is in game are very inconsistent.
You guys tried to point off with Lorthemar joining Alliance in a bad whataboutism to justify it whenâŠit doesnt even work since theres a lot more development into why Lorthermar would go down that path with how Garrosh develops.
Vereesa doesnt make sense because it comes off as a bad way to write depression and extreme sadness by someone who hasnt experienced either.
Imagine a movie where the a copâs wife is killed by an evil gang and their vicious leader, so they swear vengeance on them. You watch the whole movie watch the cop viciously murder all the gang members until the police bust the gang leader and put him on trial. Well due to âreasoningâ the gang leader may go free, which spends the cop into a spiralâŠbut reaches out to his brother who happens to be a part of a rival faction of the gang and tasks the brother to kill the gang leader during trial and he can join him in the gang as a lieutenant with his brotherâŠso he complies and plans to do it.
If you read this, you may say this sounds like an awful plot line for a filmâŠwell you are in good luck, this is basically what happened to Vereesa and you are defending it.
Because that was my point from the very beginning, you guys just bandwagoned on my memeâing at War Crimes, and failed. But it was worth a shot.
Also Drede, dont silent upvote and not reply when you got shown how people dont respond in that way when emotional.
All I seem to be learning and know is that people dont seem to understand how people react with emotion, which is weird since most of the pro-helfer community are rpers.
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