Lorâthemar wanted to leave âGarroshâsâ Horde, as he did, and as did all the other Horde leaders who eventually decided to recreate the Horde and overthrow him. That is not an example of disloyalty of the Horde, but rather rebelling against an individual that they felt did not represent the Horde they have all come to know.
Vareesa was leaving the Alliance as a whole, for no other reason but to pursue her own personal goals.
It sounds more like youâre attempting to conflate two different events, under entirely different context to make a point that simply doesnât hold up under scrutiny unless you ignore the context of everything else that was happening around them.
He states Vereesa is portrayed as sympathetic towards the Horde because she considered the possibility of joining it. That would be like saying Lorâthemar is in reality and despite what is shown in the game sympathetic towards the Alliance simply because he considered the possibility of joining the Alliance.
Vereesa thought of joining the Horde only because she missed her sister and her husband had died - not because she is allegedly a neutral character. In this case, the possibility of reuniting with her sister carried more emotional weight than all the hatred she feels against the Horde.
Same goes for Lorâthemar - he didnât consider joining the Alliance because he is neutral (as we could infer, following your logic); he did so because he wanted to survive. In this case, survival carried more weight than all the resentment he and his people felt towards the Alliance.
And yet here we are with two characters and their story of contemplating switching sides, neither did mind you, but both did consider it and yet one shows âhow unloyalâ a group is while the other one is just âa bad reaction and probably a case of temporary insanity in court really. In fact, it didnt happen and also it came up just for a split second because of a Bad Leaderâ.
NoâŠit wasnât, because being sympathetic does not mean you will get along with them. I do not need to like anyone to sympathize with what they are going through.
Donât even bother Midare, itâs clear sheâs ignoring the context of these events intentionally as she realizes that it puts her argument in a ridiculous light. Hence why she is dumbing it down to the point where the only thing she keeps repeating is âThey both wanted to switch sidesâ like those are the only factors that matter, and their reasoning, and the circumstances that surround it have no impact or relation.
Itâs at that point the conversation becomes redundant and pointless. Anyone reading these responses can see it. Itâs raining all around her, and while everyone else has taken out their umbrellas, she has simply chosen not to notice.
It wasnât just âtwo characters comtemplating switching sidesâ, It was a single character and a leader and the entire race with him contemplating switching sides.
When the other group becomes threatened by the Alliance (again, mind you) and has a reason to doubt their loyalty, try to compare them. In the meantime, those visiting the Sunwell seem pretty neutral on their own accord.
I like how you donât even bother hiding, not only the fact that youâre trying to compare oranges to watermelons, but also⊠that my mention of double standards had nothing to do with this point to begin with.
the whole point of bringing up vereesa contemplating joining the horde is too show how âloyalâ she actually is. the only thing keeping her in dalaran is her promise to never contemplate leaving her children again
it has nothing to do with âsympathizingâ with the horde like she does with the alliance. she began to doubt those sympathies anyway, and without rhonin they arent enough to keep her there, only her children are
As of this comic, the most recent information about her. Veressa is still firmly and Alliance character.
Her wanting to be with her Sister specifically because of her immense grief over her husbandâs death and wanting to get vengeance needs to be taken in actual context and not taken as her saying âShe was going to join the Horde!â.
Itâs a betrayal of the depth and emotional complexity of the writing to try and paint it as such. It was literally the one of the best parts of the book and the most real feeling.
But letâs all pretend itâs a simple act of wanting to switch sides for the sake of a stupid argument am I right?
Also lets not betray the similar depth of writing for Lorâthemar. The guy is basically a wasted character so when he does get some development, good or bad, it is needed.
He had to decide for the sake of his own people if it was worth it to stay in the Horde. He was willing to leave all the other races/leaders in the Horde with Garrosh and became their enemy for the Blood Elves survival.
If Lorâthemar has one straight as a character (Aside from near irrelevance) itâs that he always makes decisions that he doesnât want to do for the sake of his peoples survival. Basically the main theme of the Blood Elves.
Her siding with her sister would be a stretch, yes, but not impossible. Heck, it would finally give her some kind of flavor.
But again, it would have not have the same impact at all. The SC could simply get another leader or even be passed to Alleria when she came back, itâs just a faction of NPCs.
Lorâthermar and the blood elves switching sides would have had a major impact because theyâd be essentially forcing players to switch sides.
Honestly, while I donât care much about Night elves, what bothers me is the ignorance of the whole âValâkyr can only resurrect hoomans!â point⊠I know blizz and constency donât mix but come on.
Ah there you go again trying to explain it all away and stubbornly try to back the double standard.
I love the word disingenuous too. Its one of those words that pops up on the forums somewhere and then everyone starts using it left and right. Its been around for awhile now.
If vereesa did follow through then we wouldnt be having this discussion. That would be apples and oranges.
Oh and the sunwell line you keep dropping? It only adds to the case that lorthemar and the blood elves arent as die hard of a horde race as much as it shows âhigh elf neutralityâ.
Iâm amazed at how far youâll go to justify this double think.
Somehow, in your headâŠ
Leader of an NPC faction switching sides.
=
Leader of a playable faction and everyone involved with him switching sides.
Ah sure, instead of actually noticing the skewed perception, pretend as if this is a word I just recently decided to stop usingâŠ
No, claiming that a single NPC jumping ship can be compared to a playable faction being moved itâs comparing cherries to coconuts.
Wow, youâre beating Michel Jordan in Space Jam levels of reach here.
So, a group of neutral civilians⊠visiting a fount of energy in a kingdom that is Horde alligned⊠itâs somehow proof that Lorâthemar and his people are not loyal to the horde?