I think the Forsaken starting to reclaim Lordaeron without Alliance assistance was nice. How come when it comes to the Alliance reclaiming their lands, Horde players NEED to experience that story and thus the HORDE need to help them? Bel’ameth is a BIT of a pass, because the Dragonflight expansion was built around faction-neutral content, but when it comes to wrapping up storylines pre-DF, like with Lordaeron, they were pretty straightforward with keeping it restricted to that faction. So, why should the Forsaken be involved to begin with?
We’ve also seen in the trailer, the Forsaken blight bombing the Scarlet Crusade shields around Gilneas. That’s right, their method of helping Gilneas is… to throw more Blight at it? But I digress.
And they’re only doing this to justify making Gilneas a faction-neutral zone like Bel’ameth, their reasoning will be “The Horde helped Gilneas get reclaimed, so they’re allowed into the city as visitors. Don’t worry though, you’re being watched!” It just would be nice to get a win, for once. If Gilneas really goes faction-neutral city, that will be a huge failure for the narrative of this game.
I say all this with love. I love this game and this world. I just wish Gilneas Reclamation was an Alliance-only job.
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I take offense to being referred to as a “problem.”
A nuisance? Sure.
Tiering? Yea.
overly relentless? Yes.
Problem? No. That’s the line. You crossed it.
I’m leaving in a huff throwing one liners, zingers, and insults over my shoulder as I leave.
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In fairness, that statement from me is nothing more than a prediction that I think will come true, based off how Bel’ameth was handled when the Horde helped out. With the Horde helping out Gilneas, I think they’ll do the same thing again.
They really needed to do Gilneas in BFA when the Forsaken could have been the villains. Hell it would have made perfect sense as the Worgen heritage quest.
The Scarlet Crusade’s involvement is so forced, they have literally no connection to the Worgen or Gilneas. They’re just there to give us something to fight that isn’t based on faction conflict, and maybe to give the Horde a vested interest in helping. But why is what should be Alliance content being written around the Horde? The whole reason Gilneas was lost in the first place was faction conflict.
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We did, though. Genn even sent us to go help. Granted we were disguised the whole time, but we helped with that nonetheless. Whether or not something similar happens in this Gilneas questline remains to be seen. I’m not a big fan of shoe-horning in the Scarlets either, but we’ll see how it plays out. In all fairness, I haven’t seen this trailer you spoke of, but it doesn’t matter. Personally I’m withholding judgement of the story until I actually see it.
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I think the idea is more the forsaken making up for what they did before, rather than Gilneas needing the help.
Would be nice see how they update Lordaeron’s surrounding zones
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Right?
It should be Godfrey back from the dead again. Raised by the Scourge, now a Scourge Warlord, he’s entrenched himself in Gilneas with armies of undead forcibly conscripted through necromancy.
Right there, you have an enemy both the Worgen and Forsaken have a reason to go after. For the Worgen, it’s obvious, just replay their starting zone. For the Forsaken, none are likely to forget Godfrey’s betrayal (even if Sylvanas had it coming and still does). Making him a Scourge Warlord just adds salt to the wound.
If the Forsaken were using a modified blight as it was originally meant to work (only on the mindless undead of the Scourge), then even that is arguably a passable tactic in this scenario.
The Scarlets are a foe only the Forsaken are really invested in fighting. The Worgen never had any kind of involvement or antagonism with them beyond any member of the Alliance.
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Nobody tell him about Orgrimmar. Twice. 
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At least Garrosh and Sylvanas were Horde characters that Horde players had a vested interest in taking down.
Gilneas is literally just “Let’s shove the Forsaken’s bad guy into Gilneas for no reason because it’s more important that the Horde have a stake in reclaiming Gilneas than it is the Gilneans do”.
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Are we forgetting Return to Lordaeron? GD shouldn’t, because GD was mad it wasn’t a faction locked quest, too.
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Except the Alliance helped the Horde start to reclaim Lordaeron. That’s the quest where you get Undead Elves for both factions.
If you’re referring to the Undead Heritage Armor quest, then yeah, that part is Horde only. That’s because it’s a Heritage Armor quest, and so only characters of that Race (Undead) can do that questline.
The Worgen can’t reclaim Gilneas with their Heritage Armor questline because they already got a Heritage Armor questline and you can’t have two.
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From a story perspective I shall not disagree with you good sir 
But from the game perspective, masterfully beautiful as the Dragon Isles are, I’m personally excited to get back to the edge of places like Gilneas or Tol Barad! Gilneas has always been one of my favorite cities and by virtue of that a weak reason is all the reason my fox needs to get up and go help! 
Technically speaking, if i recall correctly Blood
Elves actually have 2 heritage questlines, the new one can reward blood knights with legit blood knight themed armor.
So it should be possible.
That being said im fine with how the Gilnean questline is presented…so far. Could fall apart terribly once we actually see it.
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It’s not true that the Scarlet Brotherhood (the latest incarnation of the Scarlet Crusade) doesn’t have it out for Genn and the Gilneans. Near the Calston Estate on Tirisfal, there is a set of Scarlet Brotherhood pamphlets that spout a whole lot of propagandist nonsense, including:
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King Anduin Wrynn is an undead loving traitor who worked with his “lover” Sylvanas Windrunner to stage a fake massacre at the Gathering in the Arathi Highlands. This was done in order to drum up sympathy for the Forsaken, and to lure out Princess Calia Menethil so that she could be murdered and raised into undeath, allowing Anduin to marry her and usurp Lordaeron.
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The pamphlets instruct members of the Scarlet Brotherhood to rally behind King Genn Greymane and help him wipe out the Forsaken, after which the Scarlet Brotherhood intend to turn on Greymane and destroy the worgen as well in order to ensure that Lordaeron belongs only to “pure-blooded humans.”
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The Brotherhood has secretly raised someone that they claim to be the son of Princess Calia and an Arathi nobleman, and therefore the rightful king of Lordaeron, whom they will reveal and place on the throne after the undead and worgen have been wiped from the land, thereby restoring the Menethil dynasty in Lordaeron.
SI:7 is aware of the contents of these pamphlets and advises Anduin on it, so I’m assuming there’s been an off-stage discussion about it with Genn as well. That would go a long way in explaining why Genn is suddenly willing to act diplomatically with the Forsaken, especially when it comes to taking back his kingdom from the Scarlet Brotherhood.
The Crusade has lost all of their land at this point and don’t have any strongholds left. There is a vacuum of power in Gilneas. They no longer consider the Worgen Gilneans worthy of holding it, they do not trust the Alliance, and it’s right on the Forsaken’s doorstep, so of course they would hope to build their power there in preparation for retaking Lordaeron. Both the Gilneans and the Forsaken have a vested interest in removing the Scarlet Brotherhood from Gilneas.
As far as Gilneas being a “neutral city” like Bel’ameth, first I would argue that Bel’ameth isn’t a neutral city. There are no portals for the Horde to access their own lands, they can’t set their hearthstone there, and many of the NPCs simply won’t interact with Horde players. You can walk around with the “we are watching you” buff. Big woopie-de-doo. Granted that’s a lot more than Horde players can normally do in an Alliance city, and really it’s just the Night Elves flexing their absolute power and confidence and giving a nod of thanks for your help in the Emerald Dream, but that doesn’t make it a neutral city. Valdrakken is a neutral city. They don’t care whether you are Horde or Alliance, everything is available to you on an equal basis.
So no, even if the Undead do assist in the retaking of Gilneas to such a degree we allow them limited access to come walk around in it like Bel’ameth, it’s still not a neutral city. If that is the way Blizzard goes with Gilneas (and until next week, that’s still a mighty big IF), I’m not sure how I’ll feel about it. On the one hand, the Forsaken assisting in the restoration of Gilneas would go a long way toward burying old animosities and making things right. The Gilneans closing themselves off from the rest of the world went a long way toward their downfall, so that lesson needs to be learned. It might also setup something interesting for the next xpacs, as business goes down in the north at Silvermoon. We’ll find out soon, I guess.
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I’m both Undead and a Worgen, am I allowed to come too?
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Those cancel out so you actually don’t exist.
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