NO NO NO, we can find a dozen quotes of you saying that ALL CE RAIDING GUILDS required them. Don’t back pedal now.
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Considering that PvP is scaled down in PvE and has heavy vers gear that’s incorrect.
I do hope that the person who invited them to come raid with them comes back to see them openly insult their guild like that, too, lmao.
I work blue collar and am married with a family.
I shoot pool competitively on Wednesday nights which limits my free time as a lot of HoF guilds raid Tuesday-Thursday.
Even recently I have been approached my HoF guilds looking to recruit me. I just don’t have the availability.
And I’m ok with that.
i soloed them from the start without breaking a sweat. they are easy.
delves are for people who dont want to raid or m+. its gives more content for the players overall. dont try to pigeon hole it into your head cannon. they could make delves a really cool cornerstone of wow or they can leave it as it is and it will turn into forgettable content like torgast.
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Do you know what an exception to the rule means?
Also feel free to quote where I said ALL guilds.
But I didn’t insult their guild?
And since they raid EU I can’t actually raid with them
Also the quote you’re quoting isn’t even is response to Hpel. Again work on that reading comprehension.
You can’t even figure out what “Required by the game” means, so, I’m not terribly worried about my reading comprehension being challenged by a wannabe elitist.
Please quote where I said required by the game.
I know reading isn’t your strongest suite not boring have I ever said the game required me to play delves.
I mean at this point it’s pretty clear you don’t have any arguments. It’s why you keep making things up.
You know what? Good for you, for devoting time to family and work, I can appreciate that (being very literal and serious). I have a wife and four little kids, and I don’t have a ton of time, which is why I don’t raid at all, and solo. Of course, you’ve told me repeatedly I haven’t a clue just because I don’t do something, so shrug but I just let that roll off.
Point being, everyone has time limitations, and restrictions. But nothing is required. We all choose to do what we choose to do. That’s been the entirety of the discussion, and you and I and everyone else should be okay with that. If your choice forces you to do something you don’t like, try to not do it. But at the end of the day, it’s still a choice.
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because sometimes runed is needed instead of gilded to upgrade gear…
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Right, because you keep shifting the goal post to “But my TOTALLY PLAYER CHOICE TO JOIN GUILD, requires me to do this thing I dont want to do, to do the thing I do want to do with my player choice, therefor thing is bad.”, so. Tsk, really, again, issues on you dude, not delves, not blizzard, not the game. Don’t wanna do the delves? dont. Guild forcing you to do content you don’t wanna do? suck it up and do it or quit.
I can respect you for that. I have one 5 year old so I can understand.
You can have valid reasons for not doing something but that still doesn’t mean you know what you’re talking about on high end content.
You’re still not understanding that to play at a ce level does have requirements. Whether it’s required by blizzard or guilds is irrelevant. (I also never said blizzard required it btw).
You have to realize people who don’t raid at a ce level trying to tell me what is and isn’t required is laughable at best right?
I haven’t shifted goalposts once.
You can’t seem to understand that the issue is delves are over rewarding and should either be buffed to a proportional level to reward hero track or shouldn’t award hero track at all.
It’s such an issue it’s affecting other avenues of the game. Blizz just won’t fix it because they need to inflate delve numbers to make it look successful.
Sure.
15 gear slots.
How many weeks of delves to get your hero gear? With 1 (vault) piece, maybe 2 pieces if you get map lucky?
And no duplicates? And very few crests to upgrade?
Versus unlimited m+ content and better rewards (for the most part) in gear an crests.
There are severe restrictions/limitations from attempting to gear from delves.
That is perspective.
Still doesn’t change the fact that delves are too easy to award hero track
This is what you’re not getting.
Champ track from vault or delves difficulty needs to be increased a lot.
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You realize that assuming one is DOING CE content is necessary to understand why a guild would force you to do it is silly, right? I don’t need to RAID at CE levels to know why they are trying to make you do it. I get it. But at the same time, wouldn’t it just be easier to grind M+? Can’t you just literally do that for forever?
The point is that “requiring” delve content, and then complaining about having to do it, the entire notion is silly. At the start of the season that’s +7 or +8 to get hero drops, right? And assuming it’s a CE guild, the groups are pre-formed and using voice and all the rest. So why bother wasting time with delves anyway? For a few morsels?
This is like saying if you aren’t a mechanic you don’t understand how an engine works. I might not be able to FIX one, but I can absolutely understand how it works. And doing delves for pushing gear is like putting potatoes in the tailpipe.
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How is it affecting other avenues of the game? All I’ve seen in this thread is people saying you’re wrong and that they don’t feel forced to do delves to enjoy other aspects of the game like M+ or raiding, especially this late in the season.
Because there is nothing to “fix”, it’s just a large amount of people genuinely enjoying a new piece of content Blizzard put out. Why would they change it?
I disagree - any player who’s trying to get into M+ a month or more after the season starts can’t get an invite to anything, so they can’t “blow up” a +10 without a month or more of listing their own keys starting at zero. I tried to get into M+ a few weeks into season 4 of DF, and tried to get into +2 (iLvL was well over even the vault for +2), and spent almost 4 hours over 2 days with zero invites. Then I listed a 0, and finally got a group together after 1.5 hours, and couldn’t make it to the first boss. Blowing up +10s assumes that you have a guild/large group of friends behind you, or a 100+ hours to work your way up to it, and get your RaiderIO score to the point where you might actually get invited to any groups. The squish they did to M+ only made this problem worse - either start from day 1 of the season, or don’t bother with M+.
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Not sure why this needs to keep being said, but without the gilded crests, heroic IS just champion gear when it comes from delves.
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Ideally you would do both.
The main reason you do delves the first three weeks is to get three chances at hero track tier.
Or in some cases the candle trinket is top3 or 4 for some classes so getting a hero track early tier is good.
Same with the caster dagger from delves.
Getting more tier means more damage from new tier sets which means you go into mythic faster.
Mplus doesn’t actually convert gear into tier outside of the vault.
Example.
First vault of a new tier
I have a catalyst charge
I have a tier token
I have the aotc token.
Then I get hero track xyz from vault.
That’s fourset hero track first week.
As explained above. The three chances procing hero track tier from the vault.
Are you understanding why delves awarding hero track would be required for early tier?
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