You view at as a job, others view it as a constant goal (entertainment) to keep their character performing at the top level. You have your way, the optimal players have their way, no big deal. We don’t all have to forego our competitive spirits because a crowd of people don’t want to exert any extra beyond bare minimum.
You’re overdoing it with the troll threads, Ralph.
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When I’m looking for a Heroic team to join, I’m not looking for one who takes weeks longer to clear something I consider trivial. Time and efficiency of said time, is key. No different than when I’m looking to join a M+ community or group that runs a lot.
To you. That’s your prerogative. Some people prefer constant improvement and trying to push their limits and maximize their play.
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That’s still really dumb. If you’re looking to join a Heroic, why are you judging a guild on something they’ve cleared when you haven’t. That’s really counter intuitive.
Is it more to do with time than skill? If the people who completed the Mythic on week one with all their players present and the people who couldn’t complete the Mythic because their players were staggered swapped, would the outcome be any different?
No it isn’t lol. World of warcraft was never designed for that lol. Ion made it like that, thats why the game sucks now along with the subs.
Catering to a low % ignoring the vast majority is what is killing this game.
Individual numbers are the bare minimum requirement for mythic raiding. If you can’t do your rotation, how can we expect you to do mechanics at the same time?
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If you think I’m going to sit through a guild or community that has tanks that don’t have good synergy, healers that can’t perform, or DPS that’s lacking, you got another thing coming. Honestly, let me get some of that kush you smoking to be tolerating sitting through things are considered easy to you but others just aren’t getting it.
I will not force or hold myself to a group that’s wiping or spending an unnecessary amount of time on something that’s trivial. I will take my time to another group that’s more efficient. That’s how competitiveness works if you’re playing at that level. You don’t tolerate it, you look for efficiency.
I will be even more harsh about it if the RL or GM doesn’t say something about it; because they clearly don’t care or are allowing it to happen. That doesn’t sit with me and I will not entertain it personally. I’ll go somewhere else, like any other competitive player would. Different raid groups and environments for different play styles. Why force yourself through one, when another does it better?
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There are many who don’t. Including me, who isn’t a mythic raider or min/maxer.
The game has never had hard restrictions on it outside of faction/race/class choice. If anything it is being changed to suit spiteful people like you.
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How is it trivial when you haven’t cleared it yourself? Do you just assume everyone is beneath you?
That’s just, I don’t even.
Do you set your own imaginary goals on when you’re supposed to down things?
It took me a ton of pulls with pug groups to down vex. I could do mechanics without issue. The mechanics were easy, yet someone would always die to breath.
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Oh absolutely I think time input matters. But that’s why you can sort groups via time put in as well. There are different metrics and ranks for day raiders (those who raid all day every day (think limit/method)), 4 day a week, 3 day a week, 2 day a week, 1 day a week, etc. You can also break it down on an hours put in (9 hours a week, 12 hours a week, etc.).
So when looking to apply, you have your time frame that you’re trying to fit into, then you look into what groups raid at that time frame, and how often they raid. If you want to raid twice a week for 3 hour blocks, well… you can then look at all the groups that raid at that level.
At that point, you can then see who clears the raid at week 4, and who clears the raid on the very last day of the tier. And you go from there.
Long story short, is the competition as strict as it is for WF competition? Of course not, but I wouldn’t say it doesn’t exist. Having been a part of multiple mythic prog groups though… I can tell you for sure one of the hardest parts is recruitment. Being able to put your name higher on the list, just reduces the load on recruitment.
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Imagine posting in a Ralph thread. I wonder if him and Anon are buddies.
It sounds like you needlessly hamstring yourselves on completely arbitrary roadblocks when a simply ‘Mythic Raid Clear Achievement’ makes all that timed-efficacy pointless.
It honestly sounds like GearScore in Wrath all over again:
‘Looking for Heroic LK, must be gearscore X’
“Hey I cleared Heroic LK (Shows achievement), I can help.”
‘What? Your gearscore is W get lost noob.’
You think the recruitment boss is an arbitrary roadblock?
I mean… take the argument to the extreme. If your goal is to get CE, would you join a group that acquires CE routinely every tier or a group that struggles with AOTC? Yes I know this is extreme, but I’m saying it to make the point that at SOME point… when you’re applying for guilds, you take their progression into account.
It’s the same when comparing a guild that gets CE week 4 of the tier vs a guild that gets CE the last day of the tier. Which would you want to join if your goal was to acquire CE? The former obviously… Why? Because you may not even get CE in the latter. It’s all down to probabilities.
That’s… a pug thing. Not a guild thing. Good guilds look for quality players who aren’t obsessed with loot. Loot obsessed players are just drama times waiting to happen.
Edit: Cause I suck at typing.
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I mean, time efficiency allows my guild to full clear the entire raid with two buyers in 2 and a half hours - 30 mins under our 3 hour raid time - freeing up the rest of my week and netting me ~300k gold
It’s genuinely confusing how confident you talk about Mythic raiding when you’ve clearly never been apart of a mythic raiding team
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But the whole point is to get the achievement, right? If both guilds can reliably down Mythic every patch, the time itself is secondary, no?
If you lost your Mythic Raid spot, you could easily get into another Mythic Raid by accomplishment alone?
There was no mythic when I was raiding. We didn’t need our own ‘special’ tier.
The “special tiers” were lower difficulties added for guilds that couldn’t clear them on the normal difficulty. What is wrong with you lmao
You are so invested in this anti raider campaign it’s actually crazy
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And you’ve killed so many raid bosses.
Mythic raiding is a ‘speshul tier’ not because of the difficulty, but because of the all the simming and item level garbage required for it.
It’s too much junk to take seriously.