The game has changed

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This game is quite different than vanilla. Below is a quick list of some changes from vanilla to classic:

-Mailing system auto fill names when you type them

-The whispering system auto fills names when you type them

-The whisper system displays the realm name of the person you are whispering

-Battle.net cross-server chat

-Skeletons limited time one per person now

-Being able to mail multiple items at the same time (used to be one per letter of mail)

-Mail system countdown warning

-Banning any guild name or player character with “black” or “white” in it even in totally innocent scenarios, like naming your character “Blackrend” or “Whitewinter” or something.

-Allowing streamers (it used to be against TOS to broadcast the game publicly)

-Artificial (as opposed to real) server lag via spell batching implementation - tried to emulate real vanilla but has failed

-Changed graphical options like translucent water (used to be opaque)

-Being able to trade epic loot within 2 hours of the raid group

-You are not able to stack DM buffs

-Ability to legally buy WoW gold through the token system (not against ToS to give a retail WoW token to somebody in exchange for classic WoW gold)

I’m sure there are many others but these are the ones I thought of off the top of my head. Feel free to add any.

I think it’s safe to assume that we are unfortunately beyond #nochanges. The game is already changed a lot.

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Those are all insignificant changes.

#NoChanges is a goal. We fight every battle, but we know that we are not going to win every battle.

Just because we lose a few minor battles. doesn’t mean the game is now retail and we should all give up.

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Allowing streamers and banning guild names are in-game features. It’s just a representation of current times. Secondly, the WoW token is not in Classic.

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I cannot imagine anything more boring than watching someone else play WoW

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Good catch. I stand corrected on that one!

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It depends on the water. There’s some rivers and bodies of water that are completely opaque in both versions of the game. There’s some bodies of water that the Modern textures actually make it more difficult to see through.

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… Honestly, whining about this stuff (some of which aren’t real) is hilariously trolly or flat out stupid. Take your pick.

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Pursuit of #nochanges does NOT mean: “If anyone can identify a change, throw our hands up in the air and add infinite changes because something is already different.”

It DOES mean: “The only effort that should be spent is in the pursuit of 1:1 authentically classic behavior/mechanics.”

Identifying changes is an argument for fixing those things, not for throwing in the towel. Blizzard has decided they are unwilling to fix a lot of those changes for various reasons. But “unwilling to fix, therefore non-classic” is entirely different from asking for the active effort in intentionally making classic even more non-classic.

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You have picked some of the most benign points to try to use as a platform it’s getting ridiculous. ZERO changes aren’t possible but some of the ones proposed are pure dumpster fire.

Most things in retail are ridiculous and suited for a more casino/digital store theme like FPS’.

Why fight EVERY battle? Like OP, you guys are pretty bad at it too. SOME minor changes as you just said aren’t significant enough to ‘break classic’.

Ya’ll need to be more conversational when it comes to discussion points.

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No, we don’t.

We fight every battle because there are no changes that need or should be made. The only conversation that needs to be had is explaining that no, your particular “wouldn’t break the game” change is not special, and everyone thinks that, and they’re all wrong.

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Man ya’ll extremists.

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I guess our old twin guilds in DAoC called “The Order of the Black Rose” & “The Order of the White Rose” back in the day wouldn’t fly in WoW today. Sheesh.

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I’m not sure how serious this guy is. He’s from whitemane…

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He is referring to the fact that you can give person gold in retail to buy a token for game time in exchange for gold in classic. It’s not against the rules but it has been stated that a GM will not take action if say you give the person the gold for the token but he then just ghosts you in classic game to not give you the gold there. So In a way there is a token in classic per se.

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I know, ironic, isn’t it? Blizzard can have a server with that name but a character with that name is not allowed.

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Which is bogus, as I’ve seen MANY character with black in their name…

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While I’ve never even bothered to watch WoW (except for a few youtube highlights), I think you have a poor imagination.

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No. The point is the keep the door closed on feature creep.

Feature creep doesn’t start with flying mounts, class rebalancing and personal loot. It starts with little harmless things like the barber shop, aoe looting or even ferals/rogues not losing combo points when they switch targets (which I f-ing hate, btw).

Feature creep starts with the acknowledgement that Classic is flawed (it is) but that the playerbase is in agreement on what flaws are most important and should be fixed (it is not).

It’s not that we don’t want changes because everyone has a few pet changes they’d love to see in Classic. It’s because there are hundreds of changes wanted by thousands of people and as soon as you allow one, then you have no grounds to refuse others.

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LOL. These are all due to porting to the Legion engine and aren’t “changes” to the Vanilla client itself.