Well, I have played tank since wotlk. Tank sets the pace, but if the pace is too slow and the pulls are wrong, like a leader giving out a stupid plan, it’s normal for them to not follow your orders. If your party doesn’t follow you, then you should have questioned yourself why.
It’s weird to claim yourself as an experienced tank but using normal and heroic to learn keybinds. Tank has the simplest rotation in game, typically, there is nothing to practice. The hardest about tanking is to learn how much dmg your party can survive, when and where to use your defensive cds. That you can never practice in normal and heroics, but only by reading about dungeons/raids, planning your strategies, and experiencing yourself.
I agree - the amoutn of ilvl some of these clowns want to run a M0 really boggles my mind. Group leaders are asking for ilvls higher than the dungeon even rewards as gear… I just assume anyone asking for these reqs is a terrible player and are just trying to brute force the mechanics. Long story short, I just create my own groups now
I’ve only once in recent expansions kicked someone from a normal dungeon and that was a week ago when I was running some dungeons with my son and the healer was just mind boggling garbage. Like we’d pull something and wait a good minute after the pull to get topped up and just nothing
Asked the healer if they were okay and if they needed help with their abilities (they were playing resto shaman) and the resposne was “no im good”
So we carry on, keep wiping and I just had to say it to everyone “we need this healer to go, cant even read the tooltips on their abilities that say heal and we arent getting anywhere”
we referred the player to go check out a class guide in the interwebs and then kicked the player from the group
This is a rare case - majority of players arent to bad, their are slower players at times but you just roll with it in a random instance - it doesnt matter unless they are taking 5 minute breaks every minute of the dungeon etc
The elitist stuffcomes in when people start screaming at tanks to pull this pack, that pack and oh! you know in m+ you should pull that pack of there and do this ruote that route etc etc - you feel like telling them to shut the F up and reroll a tank then
If casual unorganized content is made difficult enough for the average player where people demand the same ilv as what drops, that’s a content tuning issue.
Blizzard thinks keeping a large swath of people in fail states will keep them playing longer to grind up the gear to mitigate the inconvenience and difficulty.
I would rather go a bit faster, but I really do not care if a tank is slow. I would take a slow tank over an idiot dps-respec tank that overpulls and dies.
I also would never kick someone from a random queue dungeon unless they are causing problems, who cares if they are doing low damage if the run is still smooth?
I really do not think most people care much at all about how a normal/heroic dungeon is going as long as you are not farming deaths. A few groups will be rats, but most are not. It really is a shame that Blizzard lets Vote kick be abused the way they do.
Easy fix for you then. Leave that group thats going to slow for you and find another.
Youre entire thought process is privileged
Im generally a decent tank and have been doing it for 10+ years, so I generally dont have the issues described by the OP - but I certainly understand their sentiments. I also completely understand why my wife wont do it and its precisely because of people like you who have this thought process.
She is a lovely person who enjoys her bear. She just wants to have fun but she isnt the fastest player anymore and she also takes time to get her bearings in new dungeons etc.
She is completely entitled to be able to have that experience in a fairly stress free environment. SO, yea, the follower dungeons are cool but still leave a lot to be desired. What would be GREAT is if the wider WoW community wasnt just toxic trash and she could feel comfortable just setting a pace and going to it, without some ignorant trying to push the pace beyond what she was comfortable with.
Season 1 DF, I had already done Ruby as a mythic. My wife had decided to retry her Druid after not playing it since Draenor. She was taking time to relearn the class AND also try tanking. I was just along for the ride and to explain the route, mobs etc. We had this one Mythic geared Priest literally pulling her through the dungeon using the priest wings ability.
Sorry folks but thats just not acceptable behavior. Not even pushing things along but literally grabbing and pulling someone elses character and forcing them loss of control because you want to pull entire rooms.
I completely understand why she and people like the OP have no desire to face that type of crap in a social setting.
The fact half of the people commenting here CANT figure that out and have any kind of empathy because it might impact you is entirely a problem with modern society. Its also why people hog the passing lane, figure they dont need to pay taxes, decide they dont need to vaccinate, etc - because everything is always about YOU and not the wider society you actually exist within.
Warcraft is an ecosystem full of dysfunctional brats who cant fathom making allowances for anyone else.
youre the perfect example of toxicity and you make it clear every time you post. SO thanks for playing
I would argue that most NORMAL people who have a shred of patience and respect and just want to play the game wont care that much if a dungeon takes 10 minutes or 20. They wont be drama queens or get all bent out of shape. Ofc no one wants a heroic to take an hour - but even at the slowest pace that would never happen. Youre catastrophizing and then trying to make it seem like the OP etc are the ones egregiously out of step. Dont think so.
The fact you keep trying to make it out like its the tanks fault is laughable because, once again, this isnt about “teamwork” or “team play” its about YOUR needs. Stop pretending otherwise
The fact you even go to the extent of calling up random achieves as a gauge of anyone speaks to the elitism directly. So again, thanks for proving the point for me. Its also kind of funny considering youre not even posting on your main. Says a lot about you.
I have KSM every season of DF. And I do have KSH. The only reason I dont have more KSH is because I dont really care about it AND I was emphasizing my Hunter after Season 1 DF.
Ive been playing the game since Beta. I originally raided on Bronzebeard and our guild was doing Server first and top NA finishes from BWL through to BT. I honestly could care less and dont need accolades or respect from some random online who was probably in diapers 20 years ago.
The Social Contract released in 9.2.5 outlines the desire of Blizzard Devs for players to assist each other and create an environement of friendly cooperation and support.
Dragging players through instances etc at pace they are not yet comfortable with doesnt really seem to agree with that mentality. Im positive you will read the line about “teamwork” to imply that this means if YOU feel the “team” should be performing better to YOUR requirements…then obviously the OP is breaching the contract… but thats a you problem.
maybe you just didnt read it or it was confusing for you.
If you are brand new to tanking then you shouldn’t be doing it with a full group of random people who don’t know you and don’t owe you anything.
You can practice in Follower dungeons and Delves.
If you can’t cope with pugs then play with friends or guilds.
You “learning the ropes” inconveniences everyone else in the group. It’s hilarious watching you gaslight everyone else when it’s 1 person making it a bad experience for 3/4 others.
By 1 DPS, sure, but if everyone or the majority are all calling for faster and larger pull then it’s then that’s a different story.
There’s nothing elitist about it.
The fact that the vote is going through means that the large majority of the group voted in favor of it. That’s vote kicking as intended. It’s not 1 person who’s upset kicking someone at will. It was a group consensus.
Those don’t teach you anything about tanking. If you want to tank it basically requires pulling an Anthony Richardson and going through the growing pains.
However, if you struggle like Anthony Richardson, maybe find a new role.
I don’t think its elitism that causes the disparity in peoples pacing.
I believe it is simply pacing preference. That’s it. I value my time in a way where I want to get the most amount of rewards in the smallest amount of time. If I get randomly paired up with someone who prefers the journey over the destination, there is going to be a clash on values. When using RDF, we don’t get a say in what mentality we pair up with.
I don’t really know if there is a good solution to this problem. Being more polite would certainly help. In situations like these, someone is always going to feel shafted.
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