but the vast majority of people just join GDKPs and make gold that way, circumventing the need to buy from gold sellers
Why do you think the pots are so big that it gives so much more gold than any other activity in the game by far?
How do the pots get so large that even split 20-40 ways with organizer cuts, it’s still a massive amount more gold than any other activity in the game by far?
It’s because gold buyers fund GDKP pots to make it worth it, that should be 100% clear.
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You are using a 6 year old whitemane server and are attempting to claim those same pots would be on fresh
When there were SOD gdkps, the payouts were like 20g
contrary to popular belief yes, a 20g payout is better than a zero gold payout 2sr pug
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So are the payouts from GDKP’s so large that they allow normal players to keep up with gold buyers, and purchase crazy expensive raid consumes, and avoid gold farming entirely because they make so much gold from GDKP cuts.
Or
Are the GDKP cuts just 20 gold?
Which is it, because the stories don’t make sense.
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Under what game? It is entirely different for era, cata, wrath, sod ETC.
Did you know that on era, you can have enough gold for your regular AND epic mount before you reach level 40 by selling low level herbs, engi mats, etc?
that would mean it is incredibly easy to make thousands of gold even before hitting 60, due to the economy balance
They were when I did a couple on SOD. And I dont even really do GDKPS cause i dont really play alts much, but in SOD thats all you had to do. I dont think I ever had a payout reaching 100g, quite literally
Well your first question doesnt make sense, mainly because it is a strawman
which server are you talking about specifically? That ought to clear up the fallacy
You are claiming astronomical payouts on era and then believing for whatever reason that SOD payouts were the same or close? Under what reasoning? (because SOD didnt have 6 years for the economy to saturate like whitemane, which is legit the only example like to use)
This thread is about anniversary, when discussing hypothetical anniversary GDKP’s the supporters right above you in this thread repeatedly have claimed GDKP’s would allow normal players to keep up with gold buyers, buy consumes, and avoid gold buying and gold farming.
Don’t pretend you didn’t read all that in this thread and every other thread discussing GDKP’s and the anniversary economy.
The whole point is that for GDKP’s to do all the things the supporters claim, it’s only because gold buyers inflating the pots massively.
The whole point is that stuff they’re claiming is complete BS. Especially the idiotic claim that gold sellers are anti-gdkp when they benefit the most from the system.
Well yes. You can do that now on era, why couldn’t you do that now? There is no logical reason why it would be different. If you have a reason, please decribe why and make sure you explain it in great detail
The anniversary economy will only go up as time goes on
Most of the anti GDKP rhetoric is that:
GDKPs inflate the economy
How so? Is gdkp gold spawning out of thin air? Do bots “dupe” gold?
But thats the thing, it isnt.
Again, you can start fresh on eras, have thousands of gold once you reach 60 and hit up the mc/zg gdkps if you wish without buying gold.
these giant payouts people talk about are for like less than 10 items in the whole game and you arent doing that at fresh 60 anyways. The amount of people who can afford to spend thousands and thousands of dollars on gold are so few its barely worth using as a mainstream example - those players likely are attracted to other games over wow too
The reason those payouts are so large is because these guys have old money from the server not progressing past naxx, levels capped at 60, having multiple toons repeat this activity etc.
The economy isnt “inflated” on cata and GDKPS are allowed - why is that? It wasnt inflated on wrath, tbc or anything. it wasnt even inflated on classic lol. The only reason the one example people like to use (whitemane) is because the server has had gold pile up on it for over half a decade. that is it.
And now you have 200g titans on anniversary, and these will all only go up. Mana pots 5g a piece rn. Gromsblood 5g per 1 leaf lmao. We have already surpassed the economic inflation levels of 2019 classic phase 6 and we arent even at phase 2 yet and there are no GDKPS. because its about many other more important factors, not “this one activity”
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Everything you’re saying is BSing and pretending to be intentionally ignorant of every bit of discussion around this in this thread and others. There’s numerous issues with GDKP’s including and in addition to increasing inflation.
Gold buyers fund GDKP’s, or they aren’t worth it. And without gold buyers inflating the pots, it would be impossible for any normal player to keep up with them as other have claimed.
You’re posting increasingly larger walls of text and floundering to try the cover up getting called out over the specific ridiculous contradictions you and the other GDKP supporters continue to keep making.
The reason everything you’re saying is contradictory, and makes absolutely no sense at all, is because it’s complete and total BS.
That’s why Blizzard banned GDKP’s, because it was clear they are harmful to the game in multiple ways, and some players are mad they either can’t swipe to buy gear, or get a cut of the swiper gold via GDKP’s. It’s that simple.
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Okay sure, have fun with your “gold farm” in later phases and keeping up with prices. You absolutely will need excess liquid gold as time goes on. You cant just skirt by weekly later on
They were worth it for me even with 20g payouts. because that woulda been 0 otherwise. Plus, when i did gdkps the players were better. It was a large difference and that alone was worth it over ANY 2sr pug
Its not that at all, its because what I am saying in sensible to you and you dont like that.
it doesnt matter to me tho, you wont last the whole server and I will.
Have fun!
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Bro thinks gold traded between players causes inflation lmao
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Cant make it up king
Gold just spawning out of thin air amirite
He literally just proved it’s not inflated anywhere but fresh. Cata isn’t even ridiculously inflated and it has the token bro. Why do you refuse to accept reality? SoD would be just as inflated if they didn’t have so many extra bonuses in place to keep consume costs down (bonus materials from nodes, alch masteries producing addition consumables per craft, real boxes). Arguably more thanks to incursion gold and the 70g dailies and the fact that gold from raid bosses is higher (whether intentionally or just because we have fewer people in the raid I’m not sure)
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The truth is coming to light wether they accept it or not
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Im confused how bots are increasing prices… Adding materials to the pool generally does the opposite.
If bots control 90% of resource nodes (rough guesstimate but I know things like black lotus are almost 99% bot controlled), then they can control prices through artificial scarcity. Which they did in 2019, and then blizz changed the amount of black lotus spawns and the market crashed as the oh so scarce black lotus wasn’t very scarce at all once they dumped their stock completely.
Same day they changed spawn rates flasks went down to sub 50g from over 100g.
There’s a simple solution. Tie battlenet accounts to IRL state issued IDs. And then make purchasing gold a permananet account-wide ban.
There you go. No more botting. No more gold selling. Ez. But they won’t do it because it’d work and they’d lose money.
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Because there was more lotus available … Literally what I just said.
That’s why Blizzard banned GDKP’s, because it was clear they are harmful to the game in multiple ways, and some players are mad they either can’t swipe to buy gear, or get a cut of the swiper gold via GDKP’s. It’s that simple.
You know they didn’t ban GDKPs on era, Cata, retail? 90% of the game allows GDKPs. This ban is experimental and it’s been a total disaster. You have to be completely thick to think otherwise.
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There were not more lotus available the literal first day they added the fix. But everyone panic dumped their stock. Learn to read please.
You cannot crash an items market value with stock that doesn’t exist. But it did, because they had full control over the spawns the whole time and had stock. But weren’t posting to drive prices up.
By the way, that fix isn’t in fresh from what I’ve heard. So have fun with that.
cut xp and gold from dungeons and drastically increase quest xp to encourage running them, increase the drop rate of chase gathering resources like black lotus, more proactive banning of bots, etc