My head isn’t big. I never made any claims that I was upper level player. You did.
I have nothing to prove to a mediocre hunter that’s struggling to time 15s.
If you wanted to see my numbers all you have to do is look up my logs.
Your logs show below average which is why it’s funny.
And this isn’t the first time we have had a conversation.
You’re the one that keeps coming back after being proven wrong
I have nothing to prove to you.
I accept you have an opinion no matter how wrong it is 
If you find BM hard then it’s a you issue.
I accept everyone’s opinions. I just don’t find most of them credible.
I need a T-shirt of that , it’s wonderful.
Deal! lol 
Outlaw rogue and BM aren’t even in the same stratosphere.
Optimizing your play as an Outlaw is a headache.
you can literally play optimal as a BM while watching netflix on your other monitor.
I don’t mind BM’s having their time in the sun - they deserve it. The only problem I have is these BM’s who are claiming they’ve mastered some difficult spec and that’s why they top the meters. Bro, you’ve done no such thing. You’re playing a FoTM class that’s overtuned that happens to be the easiest spec in the game, let’s not lie about it.
If Arcane mage becomes FoTM meta spec next - you’re still not gonna see very many of them because it’s a ridiculously hard spec to master. Hell Enhance is borderline meta and finding a well played enhance is like finding a freaking unicorn.
It doesn’t take away from the fact that it’s ONE of the easiest specs…
I said multiple times in the post that BM is top 3 or 4 easiest specs out of 27 DPS specs…
Which says a lot.
You have selective reading.
I’m sorry your spec isn’t as hard as you’re defending it to be.
Again, no one really sad bm was hard. Many people have said that very few specs or classes are “hard.”
You keep mentioning arcane. Cool, the spec almost no one plays and the one mages have complained about for years? Why would we use that has a barometer for anything?
BM is clunky. Buggy. And incomplete. MM and Surv aren’t much better. Tarlo wrote a very nice article about it for wowhead. But you aren’t interested in that. No one else is either. They just want to complain and pretend that their spec is for actual “gamers.”
And instead of getting actual development to address the issues bm will get an aura nerf. Then sit at b or c tier until they accidentally release an item or set bonus that sends it to S. Then players will complain. Then bm will get an aura nerf.
There needs to be strong simple classes but… yeah Beast Master is ridiculously easy. Personally, I think classes need to get buffed up to DH, Rogue, and BM rather than nerfing them.
They just dont like it being the easiest.
Most of the people saying this dont even have aotc so their opinion is worthless.
Because its relevant?
No one plays but it was the main spec in 10.0 and 10.1 progression raiding? Also seeing some play on the end bosses.
If you are going by the mage forums for these complaints like 90% of the mage forum is terrible.
Its not that clunky.
I havent had any bug issues.
How is it incomplete?
No idea who that is. If its the hunter off of EU I wouldnt put much stock in their opinion.
I am not asking for it to be nerfed. People just cant stand hearing their fav spec is the easiest in the game.
Just came back to say that it is kinda buggy. The pet AI sometimes is kinda stupid and there was this issue with “Call of the Wild” where the “Mend Pet” ability was completely replaced by the “Revive Pet” ability, but this was fixed by adding a new “Mend Pet” ability in the pet utilities (yay). ALSO, IDK if has been fixed yet, but if you pet dies in an instance (dungeon/raid), the set bonus has a chance to…stop working??? I don’t think I’ve had that happen to me though so idk
To be fair thats not a BM specific issue. Cloak has been having issues as well.
That is because it is subjective mate. For example, I find melee significantly easier than ranged. Your opinion might vary.
But I know lots of players that don’t get AoTC but are very good at the game. PvPers for example. I also know CE players that could not pvp their way out of a wet paper bag.
Why? If people don’t play it, or like it, why should it be the mold?
Arcane shot is dead. Kill shot is more often than not, a dps loss. Cobra shot value has fallen off a cliff.
Mate, Tswift will randomly target a kill a pet. You have to dismiss pets on vol or the animal companion will no longer get frenzy. Pets would start flying and get stuck on sennarth.
he is one of the main guide writers for the hunter discord…
Nah, we just don’t like cherry picking with an agenda.
Melee is easier than ranged as far as mechanics wise.
Rotation wise BM is braindead.
PvPers can get aotc if they want too. They are also a minority.
People are playing it. The fact you think people arent playing it shows a clear lack of knowledge on current end game.
The fact you even have that on your bars makes me question your CEs.
LOL ok
Is he EU or NA?
I have no agenda. I am just saying facts. Sorry you think people who tell the truth have an agenda.
Easy and performance are seperate factors. You could have a really simple classic era frost mage that is just a 1 spell frost bolt spam and have it perform terribly for example (hypothetical, frost mage was balanced)
Not saying anything about bm hunters tho, never played it. Just pointing out the distinction
That’s because Outlaw has no real direction and needs to be entirely overhauled.
You think 15’s are nothing, and yes while they are easy for players like us. The fact that less than 10% of the people that run m+ even time them all at 15s says enough.
^ Also shows how big your head is. Last week was my first semi ‘serious’ push week and I two chested a 17. Last season I had a handful of 20s I timed casually playing. S1, I hardly played, but still managed to run my 18s.
SL, I consistently timed 20-21’s.
So based on your own definition of “mediocre”, it doesn’t even fit.
And you keep going back to my logs. It’s almost like you can’t comprehend the fact I don’t run logs EVER and the only ones that exist are the ones that someone else happened to randomly record.
Great way to measure someone 
You have proven nothing other than your inflated ego and entitled opinion on this matter.
^ As above, clear example of entitled opinion.
“Again, no one really sad bm was hard. Many people have said that very few specs or classes are “hard.”” - Which =/= bm being hard as you keep insinuating others are saying.
And yet again… As said many times in this post. Subjective opinion does not equal fact.
I find unholy laughably easier than bm. Sure the setup for rotation is harder, but everything else is super cake. Basic rotation is mashing 2 buttons. I can live through pretty much everything and self heal like crazy. Deaths advance means I can completely avoid knockback mechanics. I can use defile as a snare if I want. Chains, ranged interrupt, stun, stun immunity…
Seems pretty broken in comparison to bm when you factor in ccs and defensives.
Your “facts” are your own bloated opinions you are passing off as fact and calling others wrong when you disagree. And doubling down and mocking people for their ability. That is an agenda, sir.
The distinction is still super subjective. Everyone finds things on varying levels of difficulty and performance.
Which is why it’s disingenuous to call something the easiest and pass it off as fact. But that what the question was essentially aimed at. I should have put “easiest” in quotes to note that.
Easy for “us”? You have only timed two this entire season lol
You timed what 4 20s total last season?
4 = 17?
Are you seriously flexing 20s in the dated season?
What you can’t seem to comprehend is that it doesn’t matter who uploads it. It’s still showing your play.
I don’t have an inflated ego. I’m not the one claiming to be an upper above average player. That’s you.
And you’re confusing entitled with credible.
The difference is your opinion is biased and nine isn’t. You just can’t handle playing the easiest spec in the game and being mediocre with it. It’s why you keep coming back trying to talk about how it isn’t easy.
Actually my facts are from the lead wowhead guide writers own words. Again I dude no matter how many times you try to claim BM isn’t the easiest spec in the game the lead guide writer literally called it braindead this patch.
How old is this season? Oh what’s that? Not even a month old?
And you said I find 15s hard remember? If that’s the case, why am I 2 chesting a 17 sub 450?
Come on man. You can’t even keep up with your insults now.
I wasn’t flexing. However, nice insinuation. I guess providing my m+ history is flexing, and you providing it is just fluff for your point huh?
Now go look up how many people timed a singular 20.
You don’t have to be in the top 1% to be a good player.
Please remove thy head from thy posterior.
It seems YOU are the one that can’t handle it. Being a bully isn’t furthering your elitist mentality.
Please l2 read.
Wowzers! One of the best hunters in the world thinks it’s brain dead? That’s crazy!
There, are you happy now?