You were the one to state that sex and gender have different definitions, thus promoting me to correct you.
I was nor am dismissive; I merely corrected you.
I gave the first four definitions of gender while you cherry-picked the two last ones; you are projecting.
Again, I corrected your use of the term. Sorry if it upset you, but I am not going to apologize for stating fact nor will I start to agree to falsehoods simply because some people don’t like the truth.
Wow, reach much?
In the context of this and other conversations related to queer identity, sex is generally defined as a status assigned at birth based on biology, whereas gender is defined strictly as the social identity construct which may or not align to biological assignment.
In day-to-day life, gender and sex can be used as synonyms.
Agreed?
First off, sex is not “assigned at birth” but recognized. Secondly, sex and gender are synonyms.
Incorrect. Gender is the sex of a creature, i.e. “the female gender”.
Unless people are talking about grammar, sex and gender are already synonyms.
Identify however you want, just don’t force me to acknowledge whatever fantasy rules you come up with unless you will refer to me as “Your Majesty”.
Speaking to our present context, exclusively, remember.
I didn’t “invent” the distinction.
The distinction is made in the medical community:
The historical:
https://www.amazon.ca/Gender-Historical-Perspective-Professor-Edward/dp/0801840724
The anthropological:
And in education:
And those are only the arenas in which I have personal experience.
You are arguing semantics in a thread where OP clearly defines two words differently, if you dont like it or simply try to deny the differentiated meaning behind words chosen by the OP you really not interested in engaging with the actual topic at hand (see thread title) and purposefully veer the thread off topic. The OP can literally not be any more clear in establishing a framework in which to have a discussion yet here you are nitpicking on sex and gender like its the 1950s.
And? I’m gay and almost thirty and understand that words can evolve and grow. It might not be a term used for you which is fine, but the term isn’t about you.
Edit I’m going to add that people choosing NOT to identify as queer is good and you asking not to bused with it is you. But reading down your post it feels more like you don’t understand that there’s more than just “Oh I’m gay.” LGBTQ+ people exist and the term Queer exist for people on the LGBTQ+ spectrum that might not have a term. It also CAN be empowering for people, especially older Gay people who are reclaiming a term used to insult them. Just because you don’t understand it, doesn’t make it bad.
I am not arguing semantics, I am correcting the misuse of the word. Anyone can define any word differently, but that doesn’t mean the word “red” suddenly means “black”.
Yes, I do not like people butchering simple language.
I have provided the definitions of the words being used. If you want to deny that then fine, but don’t gaslight me by saying I am incorrect for using the correct definitions.
It is important to use words correctly, or else nonsense starts being spewed and no one knows what is being said as the definitions of words suddenly change on a whim. For example, Dog fly left now see I no now hat jump eighty-eight.
Again, I am correcting the misuse of the word that was brought up by another poster. If you have a problem with me “derailing” the topic, you might want to also take this up with him.
No, it is 2022 and I am clearly using the definitions of the words being used. Again I am sorry that stating facts upsets you, but perhaps you should start calling me “Your Majesty” if you want me to play in your made up rules.
More along this line of discussion, though. Decades ago during my university years, I took a course called “Margins of the Middle Ages.” It was the only course I took that explored history from a perspective that wasn’t “top down.” Very ahead of its time. And the only course that I actually distinctly remember the discussions that were had, long ago.
Everything else was presented from the perspective of a lineage of monarchs or conquest of governments. This class actually explored the life of Joe Peasant. Or common women. Or generally “non-traditional” societal roles. It was incredibly novel.
I’ll see if I can dig up some of the course material.
Not you, specifically.
One article each, unreliable sources including Amazon… That is all you have? This is cherry-picking on top of your cherry-picking of definitions. I can lead you to knowledge, but I cannot make you think. Keep talking in circles I suppose, you are pretty adept at speaking while dazed and confused. Now, I am being dismissive as this conversation is going nowhere as you continue to deny to operate within reality. Go back to your fantasy world and enjoy in your fictitious rules.
You know I disagree with pretty much everything you just said because as you said, you read the conversation.
From also reading the conversation you would also know that I’ve spoken through it all already, and we moved on with our lives.
I’m not sure why you’re trying to reopen a finished discussion.
The only reason I posted my stance on it in the first place was because people were saying that everyone was happy with the term.
But I genuinely have no interest at all in discussing this further.
I finished the conversation after I applied to your original comment so I added the edit to clarify. but you’re right, there’s not point in discussing it further. Especially since this just reads as another gay dude thinking the queer community revolves around him.
Youre right, that’s exactly how you sound.
Bye now
Why do you think in academia, researchers and writers clearly define words being used in a paper ? Words can have different meaning in various context, but here OP has clearly defined them and you choose to ignore that, right off the bat, 0 discussion can be had with you on the topic of this thread and thus all you do is derail it.
you are arguing semantics, why dont you pull out its definition while were at it? (actually don’t, I probably won’t care to entertain your replies further seeing as its completely off-topic)
What an intelligent and mature post, OP.
Now I’m gonna sit back and watch it be destroyed by the small minded folk who like to attack any post that affirms any kind of positivity to the LGBTQ+ community.
And you read like another small minded person insecure about their own sexuality and threatened by any instance where the LGBTQ+ community finds something affirmative in the game.
No.
/10 char
I guess you want to ignore the fact I defined the words being used… Ignorance is bliss.
Never said they don’t.
Haven’t ignored that, just stated the fact the definitions are wrong.
Hard to have a discussion when people are using words wrong.
The derailing started with the poster using words wrong.
I guess I have to define more words for people here. From Merriam-Webster:
“the historical and psychological study and the classification of changes in the signification of words or forms viewed as factors in linguistic development”
Odd how defining words with their universal and basic definitions doesn’t appear there. I guess the definition you want to use for semantics is this (again, from Merriam-Webster):
“the language used (as in advertising or political propaganda) to achieve a desired effect on an audience especially through the use of words with novel or dual meanings”
Hmm, still nothing about stating the definitions of words. If you want to try to gaslight this discussion into me “using propaganda”, then there is really no use in discussing this with you further as your intent is to break this conversation to frame it in a specific way where it does not apply.
Already did.
Bad faith is bad faith. Thank you for affirming your intent was to gaslight and frame this discussion in a way you want it. I’m sorry reality isn’t what you think it is, but people won’t deny truth and embrace falsehoods just because you’re uncomfortable. Grow up.
Awesome! No problem. Especially since it was used to bully you, I agree. Using it for you would be disrespectful. (And tbh I wasn’t paying attention and said Queer community when I should’ve said LGBT+ in my last post For which I apologize.)
This is the part I take issue with. The LGBT+ Community obviously isn’t a hivemind or we wouldn’t be talking.
If you don’t use the term queer that’ great, and I agree it shouldn’t be applied to you, which I didn’t make clear.
I’m just saying there’s nothing wrong with OTHER people using it for themselves or their community. And attacking the terms, letters w/e used by other LGBT+ people because you don’t like them is the part that seems selfish and I take issue with. You’re attacking terms that other people use for their own identity because they make you uncomfortable. As you said yourself:
No one is denying your right to not use the term or have it associated with you. Just understand some people do and will, and there’s nothing wrong with that so long as they’re not applying it to you or other people who wish not to identify with it.
Dude what?
Allow me to alter the quote a little.
Should they be? Of course not, as that voids the entire purpose of having two words in the first place if they’re used for precisely the same context. Not to mention that, even being as admittedly blind to the queer community as I have been, I have used the terms to differentiate between biology and societal role for decades due to my educational background.
But to deny the reality that some people do use the terms interchangeably (innocuously so, unlike some of the deliberate misuse we see on the forums here) is to deny the opportunity to change that perception and question that practice. If one jumps immediately to, “You’re wrong because X, Y, and Z,” the other party isn’t going to be listening to X, Y, and Z. They’ve only heard a call to conflict and are already preparing a defensive retort.
Topics like this are polarizing. But they really shouldn’t be. It all comes down to relatively recently normalized modes of discourse - pure tribalism. Us vs. them. Right vs. Wrong. Me vs. You. But you can’t change anyone’s mind or make actual palpable progress with that mindset.