Common sense is not allowed here.
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I think there could be a happier medium.
I do, as has been pointed out, have multiple Azerite pieces, for multiple specs.
However, that is not the entirety of the issue.
So I got a mythic chest, same as the heroic level Divine Fury Raiment. I selected my traits, but in practice found them ro not be so good for me. So, I had been trying to spec into, Crashing Chaos, Flashpoint, and Chaos Shards on the main traits and Treacherous on all 3. That wasnât working out so well as I found I wasnât getting 8 CBs out, so I swapped.
This compounded into testing of other traits too. X3 Rolling Havoc, or x3 Flashpoint, etc.
Bloodmallet doesnât list RH as being that strong a trait, but logs are showing it.
So yes, there can be an issue of cost even when youâre not trying to necessarily abuse the system, but simply setting up traits for a particular build.
Iâve carried as many as 16 pieces of Az at any given time for multi spec. I guess you have to know your traits and hope that you get dupes enough to tailor traits to single target or aoe for all 3 specs.
LoL, ok
Two very famous Wow personalities saying basically the same thing. The feedback they have received on the state of Wow far outweighs your opinion.
I do want to point out that RH is NOT good in hectic add cleave due to the nature of hectic add cleave tending to have adds that donât live long (which means your Havoc gets cut short). It is good in sustained multi target which 9 out of 11 bosses this tier have adds that WILL be alive for the entirety of your Havoc which allows you to get up to like 7 stacks or whatever every 30 seconds.
Bloodmallet only showing 2 potential possibilities as opposed to the 6(?) options available for Raidbots is mildly annoying in that regard. I honestly wish I had good Destro pieces. I would have rather played it over Aff for the first 6, but it is what it is. I AM playing it on Mekka now though, because almost 100% uptime on Flashpoint is pretty good and I DO have 3 of those. Am I losing damage compared to Aff? Probably, but Aff is so mindnumbing I canât take another month of it tbh. I will probably switch off TC and onto RH on my helm next week since Havocing the robots doesnât auto kill me like I thought it would.
It does not improve your skill or ilevel for Mythic raiding. Youâre not going to have a 385 ilevel piece, change one trait, and suddenly be all set and ready for Mythic Jaina. ![:roll_eyes:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/roll_eyes.png?v=6" ":roll_eyes:")
You keep stepping up your content to get higher ilevel gear, to do more progression content. Thatâs how it works. Thatâs how itâs always worked.
⌠so stop doing the same content. I donât know how youâre not understanding this. Get into higher content. Get better gear. Welcome to the game.
I already did and you decided to ignore it, because you refuse to understand how this game works.
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Right right, there are a couple fights where RH just isnât as strong to be sure. I think for myself, I was looking to maximize but wasnât quite sure how to go about due to the give-take nature of Treacherous. I was thinking itâd be easier on healers to possibly have RH instead so thatâs how I started down the path of 160k reforges. But it was only due to my decision(s) and the time between raid nights was a factor. Typically though I donât have a problem with the reforge costs. Itâs when I want to sort of fiddle around with some trait combinations or trait for a specific fight, then maybe wanting to go back to the previous setup, etc.
I actually have been lucky enough to gather the pieces for RH x3, FP x3, and other combos that can include Chaotic Inferno or Chaos Shards, or Bursting Flare (which I donât find that great). For reference, my x2 Heroic shoulders and helm, with my Mythic chest with x3 Treacherous yields more raw intellect than does x3 Mythic 420 pieces. Now granted with RH you can bring that intellect up rather nicely on the fights that itâs worth it to use, but it seems overall Treacherous is better for the constant intellect.
Since Iâve kind of had to settle on Demo as the M+ spec, one of the other specs had to lag in terms of Azerite pieces and Aff ended up being the one I chose because it seemed Destro fared better on the majority. I finally just deâd my 390 Aff pieces and will pickup whatever I can current or beyond.
I do like it for itâs pure ST, because I feel that Destro just loses some capacity due to Havoc, but yes, Aff is not all that engaging!
Thatâs the only issue I really have with reforges, is that it isnât an issue for periodic reforges, but if you find yourself having done a few and then in a spot where you took a wrong trait and need to go back, that can compound and be a bit penalizing, but really, the cost starts so low that thereâs not much room for them to improve it.
If I had it my way I would play Demo 24/7, but it is unrealistic for progression. I might try it tuesday for mekka since weâre getting close and movement is minimized now (no randomly running around losing uptime). I played aff most of last tier and this tier and its soooooooo boring.
wow this thread was hard to read. the answer is to carry more than one set. even if itâs a tier lower than your best gear. my demo lock has 385s for most of his demo slots but 370s for most of his os slots. os isnât ms and if itâs a little behind itâs not a big deal. especially if youâre not talking mythic raiding.
Itâs just another metric you need to do in order to play the game the way you want to play, either go spend time farming more gold or go spend more time farming another set of AZ gear.
Yep, puts hybrid classes in game and then takes away the viability to use them to full potential. Weird decision. This horse has been flogged to death though. I sit there and read the guild chat âneed 1 dps for 10+ siegeâ and I really want to go and I really want to have fun on discord but it will cost me 10k so noâŚ
They want there to be some decision making in which spec you want to focus in the game.
Before it was handled via respec costs.
Then farming gear for every spec because primary stats didnât change and there were tank (dodge, def, bonus armor) and healer (spirit/mp5) specific stats.
Now its down to just weps/trinkets and azerite.
There is no decision or commitment to a build anymore in this game which I think is a major flaw. You just swap around fotm as fast as possible as often as needed so youâre really everything at all times with minimal effort.
Swapping classes even is nearly effortless with the downpour of gear in the game and especially no lockout mythic+ to take fresh 120s from greens to 400 in the matter of hours.
Considering I only played one spec, yes. Atleast we had traits that meant something.
If you reforge only 3 pieces of gear at a time, the price is pretty low. Itâs only in the thousands if you have 2~3 different SETS you reforge all at once. And since Crucible only has two bosses, realistically, you will only need two sets for PvE.
And yet they introduce flexi raiding where people are needed to be able to change from dps to heals depending on the group sizeâŚ
add a profession skill for one prof that allows you to reset azerite talents
And I had FOUR.
Perspective, please.
Iâve continually said this and for some reason you ignore it. Azerite gear isnât going to suddenly make you a good player, but it certainly helps out with specific roles while doing content and it can improve the experience for yourself and the people in your group . Azerite gear is meant to help us become more sufficient players and if that wasnât the case, blizzard wouldnât have implemented it at all.
If you do higher level content, youâre going to receive higher level gear, gear that will make your previous pieces irrelevant.
So then weâre back in the same situation where I may not have 2 sets of pieces for the same slot with the same item level and then Iâm going have to go back and respec in order to be more sufficient with my role, because item levels do matter in game and so do azerite traits.
Youâre argument was that we shouldnât have a gold cap because players would obsesses over azerite traits. I didnât ignore your argument, I simple pointed out that it was absolute nonsense, itâs two different things.
Why should you care if people obsess over azerite traits? Why is it a bad thing? It takes like 1 second and it can improve your player experience. You seem to ignore this argument.
The only person who doesnât seem to understand how this game works, is you.
And thatâs exactly whatâs supposed to happen. Upgrade your freaking gear with new pieces. Welcome to the game.
Which is exactly why you keep running content. And having an offspec a few ilevels lower than your main spec is part of life. Again, welcome to the game. Thatâs why we call them main specs and offspecs, because one will usually be slightly lower than the other. Itâs why itâs not your main spec. Logic.
Ah, yes⌠itâs ânonsenseâ because you canât seem to understand how the game works.
Blizz cares. I donât. And I already told you why. Not repeating myself for the hundredth time because you donât like reality and logic.
Because itâs not an argument. Changing a trait in one second doesnât make some huge change to put you leaps and bounds ahead in content. No one needs to swap trait fourteen times a day. There is literally zero reason to do this.
You need to swap specs? Fine. The gold cost is minimal until you get a second set of gear. But Blizz didnât create this system so you could get one set of gear, constantly swap and ignore getting more gear.
Sorry, dear, but youâre the one completely out of touch. You have no idea how progression works in this game, considering your entire argument is based around âI shouldnât have to get more gear, because then I upgrade and make my old gear irrelevant.â
I canât make you understand and Iâm tired of trying. ![:wave:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/wave.png?v=6" ":wave:")
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Then youâre debunking your whole argument of working towards getting the same ilvl gear so you donât spend gold respecing. Have you lost the main idea of that argument?
There are people out there that play all of their specs to the same degree due to the demand for roles. If you wanna be the most sufficient with your groups, you better have your azerite traits. If you donât, youâre not trying with your role, simple as that.
Also if there a better method to to going about this, why is it a bad thing that to have it implemented? Paying for azerite respecs is one thing, thatâs why blizz implemented it.
You canât seem to understand that blizzard has implemented different ways to play their game.
Am I speaking to a blizzard employee? Are you upholding the values of the way they make their games? Cause I think youâre just spewing nonsense.
Just because you donât swap frequently doesnât mean that there arenât players who do that. The game is not centered around you.
It is also important to point out that it doesnât take a ridiculous amount of respecs to end up paying a ridiculous a mount of gold. Respecing youâre entire set only 3 times can already cost you alot.
People arenât going to stop grinding for gear because blizz implements this system. The grind to get higher ilvl gear is far long enough and I really doubt it matters to them if they make the life of their players a little bit more easier.
Youâve missed my argument entirely, asking for a gold cap to be implemented isnt going to stop players from progressing through content and wanting to get more gear. Itâs going to ensure that people arenât going to reach a point where the cost of respecing becomes ridiculous.
If someone wants to grind for a second set, let them, if someone wants to spend a bit of gold to respec, let them. At the moment the options are severely off balance.
The method of progression in this game is constantly changing , you should know that by the past expansions blizzard has released. Implementing a gold cap would not differ from what blizzard has done.
It seems as though you are out of touch with that and is most likely the reason I fail to understand your argument.
All of these people saying âHave multiple sets of armorâ.
Iâve literally gotten a non upgrade belt for 3 weeks now from my Mythic chest. I can tell you the last time I got a piece of azerite armor from spamming Mythics. The whole RNG system is garbage and the cost to respec every now and then from healer to DPS is outrageous. this is one of the worst aspects of the game by far, right behind not having PvP vendors.
âGo farm gearâ a lot easier said than done. Iâve been sitting at 429 Ilvl for weeks now. Let alone building an entire new set of armor. Itâs bullsh*t