The community disappoints

Per the underlying programming, yeah, it should work like that. Unfortunately, we’ve all been in runs where the tank or healer spot takes 10 or more minutes to fill. Had one here recently where we just cleared the dungeon ourselves since we all out geared it.

My man!!

Comment of the day goes to you :joy:

I’ll never understand this attitude, over actually just playing as a group.

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No you won’t because you both have deserter debuffs for 30 minutes.

Well they removed the one player who wasn’t playing as a group.

Everything you need to know about the majority of the wow community wrapped up nicely in one spot :joy:

Just curious what a decent pace is to you? I ran all 5 of my TW dungeons this morning before work in about 45 minutes

How do you guys accomplish this with 30 minute debuffs?

maybe consider avoid playing tanks if you cant handle the heat

Nasty community creating its own problems. Not surprised.

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I have a friend who literally just asked me about tanking after not playing for 10 years and I told him to pull entire rooms at a time or he may be kicked for going too slow.
It’s sad but that’s just how the community is now.

And people wonder why there are always shortages of tanks and healers. :joy:

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You don’t get the debuff, most times, if folks are dying repeatedly, as the Deserter System is intended to punish players who keep abusing the LFG/LFR system for Trolling and to punish players try to eject other players for nonsensical reasons. This is intended to both protect players from being shackled to bad/abusive/toxic PuGs and to allow players an easy out if they’re stuck in a situation where undergeared/underskilled players have attached themselves to the PuG.

DPS who keep trying to flex their one-inch wonders tend to cause a lot of wipes or die a lot, and since you didn’t show the tank any respect, I’m not going to heal you.

And you’re gonna die. A lot. I’ve seen enough PuG DPS to know that 1/10 might be geared enough and skilled enough to run PuG-difficulty Dungeons solo and ignore Item Level at that level, but the 9/10? The people willing to run in and scream like a Karen fresh out of Sunday Service abusing the underpaid service staff at the nearby coffee shop?

They’re gonna chain as many groups together as they can because maybe, just maybe, if they’re good at DPS, their parents might be proud of them for once.

So after one or two wipes, the system goes “Okay, these players’ parents met at the family reunion, GG even.” and you can normally drop group with no penalty.

If folks are so hard for speed runs, join a guild or sign up to WoWMadeEasy or similar Discord groups, I’ve never had a problem finding competent groups there for content, and they’re dynamite on toxic or abusive players hounding other members of the Discord.

((This is not aimed at you, Hammerlord, but at the kind of players who’ll turn feral if the Tank isn’t immediately a God at the role)) If no guild will put up with your shenanigans and you’re stuck using PuGs, and you’re actively causing Tanks in the system to eat a deserter debuff or get booted because they didn’t play your way, I have no obligation to feed your ego or reward your :poop:y behavior since you feel no obligation to show respect and tolerance to that Tank.

This is a social game and requires people working together, not just lazy players screaming abuse at players who are willing to tackle the more stressful jobs because they’re not somehow speed-blitzing the whole Dungeon.

Helping players be better at their role is the mission of LFG and LFR. Sometimes, that means you’re gonna take 3-5 minutes longer for a run. Sometimes, you’re gonna need to swap roles with another player because they’re under-geared or haven’t worked out their talent trees right and are missing vital talents because they really didn’t know any better. A lot of new players don’t know about Icy Veins or WoWMadeEasy or the other sites that lay out talent calculation and build specifics, and may not understand why they need X talent but not the Y one.

I’d rather do my weekly Dungeon run in a chill and relaxed fashion and not put more stress on folks already dealing with a already stressful job. If that takes 2 hours instead of 1 hour and 40 minutes, oh well.

So the tank is going slow and stuff is still dying? And you’re the healer?

Brother why are you telling on yourself? Sounds like the DPS you left dodged a bullet.

Y’know it’s weird how my less-friendly experiences correlate with what you’re saying, yet you have folks who bold face tell you it doesn’t happen or simply “git gud.”

All I can say is, I definitely won’t partake in any volatility. I’m glad you’re doing the same even if it feels like you’ve had a rough day today.

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The tank is the defacto leader of the group and has a lot of responsibility to the group to ensure the dungeon runs smoothly.

If you’re unwilling or unable to fulfill those responsibilities and you queue into that role anyways than you’re not being a team player. Queue into a more familiar role or one with less impact on the group.

Low level tanks in PuG/Dungeon Finder content, especially with the surge of players we got with Dragonflight and the War Within, don’t have heirlooms and are relying on Quest and Dungeon drops.

They’re squishy. And with people screaming at them to pull faster, they don’t have all their abilities, and they don’t know every single dungeon mechanic? It can get messy. Druids in particular don’t do well in this scenario.

Keeping the tank upright is easy. Keeping the player controlling the tank willing to play the game in the face of that level of toxicity is a whole other kettle of fish.

I do think players should be more patient with learning tanks. My position is:

  • If you sign up for random queue, you are signing up for random experience.
  • You might get zoomer tank.
  • You might get hesitant tank.
  • Either way, accept it as your random fate OR make your own custom group.

Then again, this applies all around. Even tanks have to accept that they are queueing for random so random results will be obtained.

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You honestly think this is how we get more players to tank? By chasing them away?

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When OP finds out he (or she? i can’t tell male n female Dracs apart) finds out he or she is part of said community: :dracthyr_uwahh_animated:

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If you’re QUEUING for content, then it’s not that serious content, and you might have players who are new.

Stop taking queuable content seriously.

“Why are there no tanks?”

Gee maybe because they got sick and tired of not being able to even learn the role and gave up on it before they graduated to M+ or raid?

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