The Characters I Used to Love Are Dead or Are About to Be

I will try to stay within the guide lines, but I need to express my frustration with how things have turned out in the story so far. I’ve been thinking about why it is that every time I come back to wow I can’t stick with it. There’s plenty to do in shadowlands, but I feel no motivation to keep with it because I have nothing to be excited for anymore. The story is fundamentally why I keep coming back, and it’s the characters who make the story happen, and I just feel so dishearten with how my favorite characters have been treated and how they are now perceived. I hope someone on blizzards writing team is reading this, because I feel like my worries are on deaf ears here, but with no where else to vent these frustrations, this will have to do.

I’m going to start with the largest one, Sylvanas. I will start by saying that she is the last standing character in the story I have hope for, but nothing so far gives me any hope that she will come out of this Xpac unharmed or worst of all, unable to return to the forsaken. Point of order, the reasons I love her character are from before WotLK. She was the conduit to my second favorite race of the game, undead. Her ambitions were not to be the good guys, but to right an injustice done to her and her people by the Lich King. Following her was great if you didn’t perceive yourself as being some goodie two-shoes hero, but a ruthless avenger who stopped at nothing to see vengeance. This is how I imagined the forsaken, and I don’t perceive Calia as having those same ideals. I don’t want to be a hero, I want to do ugly stuff to insure what is necessary. The way I perceive the recent Sylvanus story, she had no right being crowned Warchief. Had this pivotal moment never happened, the story could have been done in a different direction from the collision course it is on. Her obligation is to the forsaken, not the horde in general. After the fall of Arthus, the motivation for the forsaken is a bit aimless, but taking them on this holy redemption path is not the faction I signed up for. If the aim of this current expansion is to conclude her story for good, then I’m done. My forsaken no longer exists.

Next character I want to talk about is Garrosh. This really stings for me because he is proof for me that there can be likeable characters added to the Warcraft universe post Warcraft 3. I used to like Thrall, but when I saw what Garrosh was doing in Cataclysm, I understood why making him the leader was a brilliant idea. He was THE orc. He was a warrior and he got results. Being next to him was like being a nervous little kid, worried about the situation around you, but you looked to your right and saw daddy Garrosh and thought, “we’re going to be okay.” My favorite moment I still love is when you are on a zeppelin, attacked by dragons, he screams, “GET. OFF. MY. SHIIIIIP!” and just tackles the thing! It was hype! Then they put wrote him as a tyrant who would make drastic choices to see the alliance destroyed once and for all. This was obviously the breaking point for his character, but they could have gone a very interesting direction with it. If he loved the Horde, but hated the Alliance because of stories he’d heard about them, then there was a perfectly missed opportunity to have a moment similar to what Varian had during the Saurfang reunion. The problem with the faction war storyline, is that there are character who are trying so hard to resolve things peacefully, but it has to keep happening because the core mechanic of the game is that there are two faction who kill each other on sight (if you play a pvp server).

(As an aside, I hate the concept of factions because it splits the player base in half for content some people probably don’t participate in. Why not let the orc warriors tank for human mages!? makes no sense to me.)

Back on track, Garrosh had a lot of potential that was squandered by the fact that there needed to be someone to incite the next Xpac, which in itself was just an Xpac to incite the REAL Xpac people wanted. He filled the shoes of warchief well and if he kept that role, I can’t help but feel that the warchief concept wouldn’t have become the joke that it became.

I love Illidan, and I doubt I’ll never see him again, but where is he? It felt to me like his story in Legion was a fanservice apology for how unjustified his role was treated. I will accept the apology because we have him back now, but now what? I’m not surprised with where they put him at the end of legion, but if I had to put my emotions to words, it feels like there was no intention to use him after Legion, so they put him away in a place where people can be “satisfied” without him having to be written into the story anymore. Here’s a question, what would have happened if he was there to witness the burning of Teldrassil? How fascinating would it have been for him to form this new target for his hatred in the horde? He could be the one pushing Tyrande into the crazy person she is becoming, OR BETTER YET, and I’m still hoping for this, is the one who speaks sense to her! He could teach her how to control self destructive power like he did! This would be an amazing spit in the face of Malfurion who time and again refused to give his brother his due credit. We can’t have that though, he’s on reserve for Burning Legion story.

Those are my biggest three, but I want to talk a little bit about Thrall, because he’s still treated like he’s everyone’s favorite but I don’t know if people actually care about him anymore. I used like like Thrall because he cared about his people, the orcs, and was going out of his way not to fight glorious battle, but to establish a foothold in a world that outright didn’t want them. He made allies by showing people that Orcs were not complete Savages, and it was endearing. Now it feels like his desire for peace makes him unwilling to fight any battles. I never liked him being some master of the elements, especially when it makes you look like a slave to those elements. I hated how who gave up on doom hammer, it was HIS iconic weapon. It brought me to tears to see it handed off to the player who I’m personally a fan of being writing off as a nobody rather than “chosen hero” that we all seem to be, not because I see my characters as nobodies, but because the less main characters expect of my character, the more I can roleplay my own story for myself.

What I hope to get across is that characters like Sylvanas and Garrosh have and had reasons to be adored. They are antagonized now, but they used to mean something and new characters I’m supposed to care about, Anduin, Baine, Calia, I don’t like them. That isn’t to say that I don’t want them in my Warcraft, but they’re the new spotlight and I can’t care about them as much as I do the meaner characters. The “Garrosh did nothing Wrong” meme is a joke, but I think it’s also a statement with how disappointed we are in his character arc. I expect there will be more story from him this expansion, but I don’t expect to see characters return from the shadowlands with us, so I can just expect this to be my last goodbye with these amazing characters. I’m finished with Warcraft for now, but I’ll try to stay optimistic with whatever happens. I reckon if I get my way, a lot of people will be very angry.

Thanks for reading. Some me too stories and Blizzard insider knowledge would be delightful to read through.

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Don’t worry about Horde characters. They pretty much don’t stay dead, and will return for whatever.

Welp sorry to hear that the characters you hold most dear are almost all gone.

About thrall, hes in a rough spot since well… cata i presume im alliance so i dont like the dude and from what i can see horde opinions on him are split between a coward vs a traitor with some people that still like him sprinkled around there.

Hopefully they put DRAKA in there to use her for his character development instead of just filling female quota and make him more likable and powerful since the horde roster is in need of some powerhouses to counter all the demigods in the alliance roster.

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Citation needed.

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I feel that, yes, ultimately, there has been a lot of damage done to the characters I cared about - and not in a “story consequence” sort of way but a “I feel like there was a creative writing idea to turn this character on another path and it drastically failed, so, without retconning it, the character is effectively dead, either literally or figuratively.” sort of way.

I have some severe poison in my veins for what they did with Sylvanas for BFA. I despise it even more that they didn’t bother to prepare a character in advance to replace her and even dumpstered the only other character who could had possibly replaced her - Nathanos. They could only drum up Calia, who is an affront to the very core of the Forsaken story and shouldn’t be even considered Forsaken, and Lilian Voss, who was an independent like Leonid Bartholomew, and shouldn’t had been crammed back into the Horde.

I dislike what they did to Garrosh post-Stonetalon.

I am loathed that they wasted Cairne as a character.

I dislike that they put Varian & Vol’jin into the wood chipper for what is essentially shock factor.

But, we’re here. Unless they do a WOTLK + thing post Wrath of the Lich King classic, where they just run the story in an entirely different direction and treat everything from Cata onwards as non-canon, the only thing I can really hold on for is just that they make something in the future I like.

They made Bwon’samdi and he came out of a dumpster fire of an expansion. It isn’t entirely a fool’s errand to hope for something that provides the same happiness like before.

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Sylvanas isn’t coming back to the forsaken

Says who? They almost confirmed that she’s getting redeemed

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/even-more-interviews-that-went-under-the-radar-and-how/881940

It sucks for Night Elf and Tyrande fans, but it seems like blizz is only trying to appease 1 side.

Don’t forget that it’s because the idea was pitched to them by a Youtuber and they ran with it.

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Do you have a source for this?

WoD, Vol’jin, Garrosh, Sylvanas, Nazgrim. Who has died, and not come back? Cairne? Lol

I don’t believe she will, but I’ll be upset if she doesn’t and everyone else will be upset if she does. That’s my dilemma.

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Taliesin deleted the original tweet where he basically took credit, but here’s Golden responding.

https://twitter.com/ChristieGolden/status/1158113979698257920

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See, I’d be okay with a story where humans take back Lordaeron and Calia is crowned the rightful ruler. She has a human mindset and doesn’t belong with the kind of people the Forsaken are. In fact, I don’t believe she is fully undead. She is “light risen” not Forsaken.

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Man this is a good post, I can definitely dig it. Garrosh grew on over time, but his father has been one of my favorites since waaaay back. Thrall, of course I loved Thrall’s story, but I feel like he definitely took a turn towards the soft. I mean, he was Orgrims successor for goodness sake. Dont get me wrong, hes still one of my favorites. Sylvannus is a badass. I had a point and i really wanted to piggyback off your post, but I kindve lost it in the middle of my dental assistant class. Its on point though man. I usually root for the darker, brooding characters. Dude, Illidan is awesome, he definitely shouldve gotten a bigger piece of the pie. Anywho, thats my string of fragmented thought in response to your post.

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Agree OP.

It is somewhat poetic and interesting too, after a couple of years of saying Blizzard was writing Sylvanas abruptly out of character and not wanting her to die, the same people who have fought me every step of the way are now afraid of the same thing happening to Anduin, Tyrande, Turalion etc.

I understand what they are going through. I wish they had taken a second to try to understand the other side of the equation and what their bloodlust to kill off/drive off characters like Nathanos, Gallywix, Garrosh, Sylvanas etc. would lead to.

Well here we are, our inevitable conclusion.

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I have been saying this for years. What’s worse is that Vol’jin was wasted so she could become Warchief, so fans of both characters got shafted. The payoff for this? A line in the “De Other Side” dungeon where it’s revealed an ancient troll Loa was the one who whispered in Vol’jin’s ear.

Now, I haven’t played through the Ardenweald campaign, so maybe Vol’jin has a prominent role, but you’d think he’d be there for that revelation - and that the revelation would’ve been given more attention.

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Prominent? Eeeeeeh. Vol’jin’s content is pretty ignorable as a whole so far, I think.

But he is there to find out he was tricked to put Sylvanas there, and he does this weird "in the maw but not really" thing to accompany you because all he can do to try to make it right is save a missing loa. Then Rezan forcefeeds himself to Vol'jin and Vol'jin takes a nap in a wild seed, to be continued.
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Most of my favorites from WC 3 are still around. I didn’t have a super big appreciation for the lore in the WC3 days, but I thought the Trolls were the best thing in the Horde. So I am glad that Rokhan is still around doing stuff. He is in my Garrison. He led a Warfront. He was our pointman in Zandalar during BfA. He didn’t out right join the rebellion at first, but he aided it enough to get it going and free Baine.

I also liked the young, friendly, less bitter Jaina. I mean, she has been totally shrewified since WC3, but at least she is around.

Malfurion and Maiev and Muradin were among my favorites. They all were AWOL in Vanilla, and were peppered back in to the story. So that’s good.

And Kaelthas… he was done dirty, but he looks to be back.

It is a shame what happened to Cairne and Sylvanas though.

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I respect the ones who remorse the loss of Cairne. I did love the story of how he challenged Garrosh’s rule and was killed not by Garrosh necessarily but because of the meddling of the Grim totem. It’s one of the points that I like Garrosh for, because he basically told the Grim totems to get wrecked when they reached out to him. Blizzard hadn’t mastered the ability to convey story into cutscenes at the time, so maybe it could have been shown better now than then, but also, they skip story beats in-between patches which is terrible.

Question I have for those who miss Cairne. Is there something about him that was more likable then Baine? What made Cairne special to you and what would you have preferred of him.

Well he did smack Garrosh across the face and challenge him to a makgora, instead of running to Jaina and Anduin when ever he feels a bit of heat near his hooves. He was willing to do what others would not. He may have died, but that was from poison by one of his own people, more than from Garrosh.

When Baine was introduced in WC 3, he is some whelp we save. Little did we know that would become his whole shtick. The perpetual damsel in distress. And it is hard to stomach that he sends pieces of his anatomy to young men. It sort of seems creepy and nuts.

I want to like the guy. Before BfA, I posted about Baine and Mayla ruling the Horde once Sylvanas was inevitably removed from the Horde. I felt he would bring back a more tribal, earthy vibe that has been lacking in the Horde since Wotlk. But he is all but ruined for me, now.

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