The Cataclysm Classic PTR is now Open

I am not the only person experiencing this issue; others are as well. I have formed multiple groups, and none of us are able to zone in. The new infernos are also not up. So when I look at the post and it says:

I have concluded that they are not live because people are unable to access them.

I mean, I never meant to imply you were. I also however do not see the usual “why can’t I do X?” posts in general or in the PTR forum. We both know those are usually there instantly along side the “can I clone or use a template?” posts.

I also know that my guildmates are in hour of twilight right now, so idk what to tell you. I am also open to the inverse, they got in when they should not have been able to.

Some people* cant access them.
You again, don’t really get to make sweeping determinations like that. reflect on how you speak in general, its very condescending when it doesn’t need to be.

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The rest of us do. You posture as if you’re an actual raider when you’ve only done 1 raid (and your parse is pathetic).

That would be correct. If some absolute mentally stunted person is trying to take away your possible future gains, people will be vocal about it.

That is exactly what you want. You desire the attention that you don’t get in real life. So you come here to troll and get all those feel good chemicals in you brain.

The only one portraying a victim has been and still is you.

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No, it doesn’t. It doesn’t speed up anything, as, again, same gear for dungeons.

Yes, I don’t like them either, which is why I don’t do them. (Hint hint)

No. They never had lockouts between the dungeons and the raids. You could do them both. What you’re mentioning is the daily heroic dungeon lockout, which still exists if you do specific instead of random. What I was bringing up is that your argument for LFR can be used to also make so that if you dovan inferno dungeon, you can’t raid, which is clearly a dumb idea.

Because it’s not gear progression, it’s cosmetic. This would be like saying “Ok, so you just bought a cosmetic in Call of Duty/Overwatch/etc, which means you shouldn’t be allowed to buy a new one for a week, even if you have the money”.

Because content accessibility is not gear progression, it’s just playing the game.

I’d personally be fine to remove the gameplay lockout between normal and heroic but keep the gear lockout bc rapid gear acquisition can kill games. But adding a lockout is dumb.

Your gameplay. You were saying that these groups were requiring you to do LFR at high level content. That is infact gatekeeping.

It’s funny that they mention there is no gatekeeping while complaining that some nebulous high end guild gatekeeps you from higher raids if you don’t get LFR gear first.

COGNITIVE DISCONNECT FOUND

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Surprised no one has mentioned this (or maybe they have), but a possible 10-man version for LFR has been detamined.

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I only ask as this is hyper interesting, do you have a source to point me towards?

I can google if not. Wondering if its old scrapped code or something newer.

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Thank you!

Edit: That would be pretty big to do, release 10man LFR.
Cautiously hype.

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If you are taking cata that serious you have issues lol

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plus four-hundred percent HP

Until it isnt.

Which it wont be for many if the lockout is separated.

Teir, trinkets, epic gem currency. Wont be as “optional” as you want everyone to believe. Just as using rdf isnt really optional now when vs making a group and running to the dungeon.

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Does manual grouping give valor at all? UI shows it as an LFD reward.

Not if you chose to not use the tool and run into the dungeon yourself. Aka, you are forced to use rdf.

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What complete nonsense. You’re still a clueless fool. Rdf isn’t optional because the 99.999% of players like rdf. As usual you and your ilk want to change the game so the the few of you can force the vast majority to play your way. As for raiding, there will always be guilds with players doing normal and heroic raids because the loot is much better on those runs. Most of the players doing lfr are using alts while their main is doing the normal and heroic guild runs. There are still many guilds in retail doing normal, heroic, and mythic raids. Lfr has not stopped it.

Not all players like rdf. All players want the rewards given from using rdf to some extent though and that is why they use it.

If you only use rdf for valor and gear, then stop using it, then do you really like it? Or do you like the rewards it gives?

Yes what you said is complete nonsense, but no suprise you turn to insults when you cant actually refuse what i said.

I want to avoid abuse and toxic behavior, there is a reason lfr saw many changes to how it works, even the first 2 weeks of it being live in origional cata, it saw some major changes to avoid exploitive and toxic behavior.

Im not even arguing for lfr to not be in the game, im arguing for it to follow a more modern ruleset because of how flawed the lfr rule set of cata was.

And lfr sharing lockouts with normal and H wont stop people from being able to chose to do lfr on their alts. But that doesnt fit your narrative so you refuse to even acknowledge that fact…

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There’s no way either of us can know why players use rdf. I disagree with your opinion. In my opinion players use it because it is a much more efficient means of getting a group. If rdf was in vanilla the number of mage runs would have significantly been reduced. People are here because the game is fun. People want to play the game. But they don’t want to sit in a major city spamming lfg chat trying to find a group often with a long wait and sometimes without success

Then don’t use lfr. It’s that simple. Rather than use that simple solution you’ve always wanted blizzard to change the game to force the majority to play your way. Contrary to your brain dead claim there will always be many guilds running normal and heroic and even mythics when they’re added. Progression has always been the game in wow and as long as the player has time he will go onto the harder runs that give better loot.

I always refute what you say with clear rational arguments. After I’ve done that I add a few insults because I don’t like you. I actually think about it and edit my reply to add the insults in before I post it.

most likely not

and there would be even MORE people raiding normal heroic mythic if LFR wasn’t in the game. Plain and simple. Good bye.

His comparison doesn’t make any sense anyway. The relative comparison would be to say you can only run one dungeon difficulty. If you run a normal dungeon, you can’t run Heroic or Mythic.

But the entitled players just want the game changed so they don’t have another raid option. And screw all the players who want more options. They don’t matter apparently. All because a few people have no self control. Even Blizz isn’t clueless enough to cater to that.

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