Only elitists require it to raid. It’s completely not necessary to do LFR. It’s completely viable to raid without LFR.
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LFR is an option.
What you want is a restriction. Stop being selfish.
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My guy, these are issue that have happened before. These are documented problems.
Is not a solution. The solution isn’t to abandon your raid team to raid on a level you do not want to raid.
You are. It is a requirement of raiding on that level. The “finding a guild more suited to how you want to play” is a scrawman. You are changing the issue at hand.
The issue being “I’m a high-end raiding pushing high-end content. I want to play that high end content. To keep my spot I have to do something that isn’t that hand end content that I do not want to do”.
No amount of finding a new guild is a solution to that.
That is not a key difference. You also don’t have to step foot into heroic dungeons to go into normal Dragon Souls. You are made to as a requirement by the community to do so… or you don’t get to go.
As has been pointed out champ. That top end doesn’t care they just don’t like doing content they don’t want to do… but if they are going to be made to do content they don’t want to do they think that should extend completely across the board… allowing them to min/max completely.
And you would retain that option. Nothing is being taken from you.
Still funny that LFR is only acceptable to you if it impacts the “Elitists”. Even more funny when they support you are you are still against it because that support benefits them as well.
You know the whole “Don’t have normal and heroic share lockouts”. That benefits them so no it is bad… but “Have LFR share a lockout with normal and heroic” is also bad because it benefits their time investment. Only “Have normal and heroic share a lockout and LFR not share a lockout” The specific thing they do not want is the alright thing.
Sounds to me like you are the one being selfish.
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No, it isn’t.
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Yes, it is… You do it or you don’t get to raid on that level. They replace you… and no the answer to that isn’t not raiding on the level.
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That’s not a requirement to raid on that level, that’s a requirement by that group because they’re loser elitists. It is still possible to raid at that level without doing so.
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Yes, it is a requirement. It is something every guild that raids on that level requires. You can name call them all you want. it doesn’t change that fact.
It isn’t possible to raid at that level without doing that. It is possible to raid on a lower level without doing that. There is a difference between these two. It is a reason a lot of retail guilds stop at herioc and don’t really progress into mythic.
But once again it isn’t about doing that is the issue. The thing being requested is that either everything shares lockouts or that nothing share lockouts.
You guys should be all for nothing sharing lockouts… but you aren’t because that is what the “loser elitist” want.
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If they are willing to abandon you for not wanting to do LFR, then this point does not stand as you want it to.
You really want to claim that? what is stopping you from doing normal without doing LFR that is a game system? What part of the game itself, not a guild, is forcing you to do it?
No it isn’t, it is a solution you don’t like.
nope, I am staying on point entirely.
Which is a player choice, not a game requirement. You made that choice, not the game forcing you to make that choice.
and they are not required to, they make the conscious choice to. You are conflating personal choice requirements with game requirements.
Simple, flat out facts are, LFR is not required at all to do normal. Any attached restrictions or requirements are choices made by the player.
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Really? I haven’t heard from the dictator of WoW raiding say that. (There is no dictator of WoW raiding)
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Yeah, I know you don’t keep up with the raiding scene it is alright.
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I am doing no such thing.
Yes, they are making a choice of doing something they don’t want to do… but that choice is not between doing that thing and not doing that thing.
The choice is between doing that thing and doing the thing they like… or not doing that thing and not doing the thing like.
Either way… as I’ve said before they want to do all of what they don’t want to do or non of what they don’t want to do… but lets keep going in circles on how it is a positive that LFR doesn’t share a lockout and you aren’t required to do it and it is good that Normal and Heroic share a lockout so you aren’t required to do it.
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Lmao ok, cope harder weirdo. It is possible to complete the content without LFR, if it wasn’t, you’d be begging for no lockout instead of begging for a lockout. You’re just upset that the community that you joined knowing that they would require you to do everything you can instead of joining a group that does the same level of raiding but doesn’t require it is full of losers (including you) that hate everyone that doesn’t require everything.
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Some people need to eat the entire package of Oreos. And then blame Nabisco.
They need to learn some self control. If they can’t, that’s their problem. The Entitled crowd have ruined this game enough. Let people play how they want.
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The fact you think we are talking about completing the content speaks volumes on you not paying attention to the discussion and just jumping in blinding to support your side.
That is exactly what is being asked for. For LFR to share a lockout with Normal and Heroic or for Normal and Heroic not to share a lockout.
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Completing all the content at heroic/high end level is what you’re talking about. It is possible to do that. This is a problem you created for yourself. Stop being a baby. Stop trying to gatekeep. It will only hurt the game to force lockouts for content.
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You are.
Nothing requires LFR, if your guild does and you dont and as you said if the guild is going to drop you for not doing it, then you have options still for raiding. You just dislike the answer, which doesn’t make it wrong.
I swapped guilds plenty when life causes me to have to change from what the rest of the guild is doing, I survived and so will you.
No, its finding the right choice for you, not forcing yourself into a choice because you feel required to do it.
You’re leading the conversation in a circle by pulling out situations that have solutions and saying they don’t.
That isn’t a proper example. At all. It would be if you wanted to eat any Oreos at all you have to eat the entire package of Oreos or you don’t any Oreoes and we will give the Oreos to someone who will eat them all. So you go to Nabisco and tell them “hey you should make the package smaller”
but ultimately that isn’t the entire discussion here. That is one side of the discussion. As once again they are asking you share lockout across the board or not share lockouts across the board.
As you just said
So remove the lockout shared between normal and heroic.
So… you are putting words in my mouth? Telling me what I’m talking about?
No I’m not talking about that nor have I even been talking about that. Completing the content isn’t what high-end raiding is… and you know that.
and no one is trying to gatekeep anything. That word has no purpose in this discussion. Nothing is being gate kept.
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It infact is. What, you want to complete it faster? Ok, then do the gearing steps to do that. But if you want to do the content at a high level, that is by definition completing it at a high level. And, if they do the lockouts, we all already know you weirdo losers are going to be forced to quit the heroic raiding to do the LFR raiding by your addiction-feeding groups.
You don’t have the willpower to resist LFR, so no one should have the option to do LFR and other difficulties. Talk about selfish. And harmful to the game.
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Yes, that is all nice to say. Reality is different. There is no right choice that plays on that level and does not require you do whatever it is your can to perform the best you can.
To remove difficulties entirely from the equation. It would be the equivalent of finding a speed running guild in vanilla classic that doesn’t require world buff.
It doesn’t exist. It is an oxymoron.
Not really. I’ve said the solutions and I’m told the solutions don’t work… those solutions being either shared lockouts across the board… or not shared lockouts across the board.
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