Holy and prot are not game breaking, your absolutely blind if you think that. Holy is good and prot is strong at best. Name one class that has 3 bad specs, it sure ain’t warriors or hunters considering our fury keeps up with my UH
… is this a joke?
No im serious, are you really calling prot palladin, the best tank in wotlkc “strong at best”?
What even…
And holy is considered the best healer in most situations… between being able to ignore self heals through bubble, give the entire raid 20% damage reduction, have extreamly efficient mana pool, exc. And you thing holy paladin is just “good” lol…
Its true there are some fights that other healers are better based on the fight, but overall holy paladin is the best healer.
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I am too, it’s the strongest tank but our prot warrior keeps up just fine, infact he’s MTed two hardmodes for us. Is pali better? Yes but not overly so. As for healing, holy are the best tank healers hands down but if a lot of raid damage is going I’d much rather have a resto shammy or resto druid (we run resto shammy and holy paladin and the resto consistently out heals the holy)
Outing yourself as an awful player doesn’t help your arguments.
All three warrior specs are terrible. They are the worst tanks for most difficult content and they are now the worst dps class in the game since ret is looking to surpass fury.
It’s also take to take your goblin sockpuppet back to the retail forum where it belongs.
Sure, that was an option. A good option that worked for two other classic releases.
But what we’re seeing is a cascade effect. Blizzard having nerfed UH and announced they will look at class balance emboldened Rets to put their case. And now having buffed Ret in response to “community feedback” have set a further expectation that with enough community pressure they will change their mind on stuff.
So, here we are with the genie well and truly out of the bottle saying “yep Ret had a good case, but so do we”.
Making this a one off to keep the masses quiet is rank favoritism. Now they’ve crossed the class balance line they are obliged to do it fairly and comprehensively. I don’t think it is fair to remove the buff. I think Bliz basically have to change their mind on making it a one off and put some effort into properly addressing class balance comprehensively.
They have handled this whole thing extremely poorly in my view and this is their mess now to fix. By the way, it’s utterly wrongheaded to blame Ret players for this. Just as it is to blame players of other specs now for putting their case. It’s all on Blizzard. Their approach is wrong. Balance isn’t a popularity issue it’s a numbers issue. They need to do this by the numbers or not do it at all.
Sounds like your the awful player if you don’t see that. I parse around 82-87% for every fight. Our fury is only about 1500dps below me
1500 dps below is not “keeping up with” you.
No it didn’t. People just didn’t play those specs. That’s not good. 20+ warriors in a raid? Come on. It was broken, people just ignored it. If we went back in time you’d see maybe 4 to 6 warriors in a 40 man raid. 8 in Naxx… not 20+.
I personally skipped classic wow because I didn’t want to play a broken game for nostalgia’s sake. I played it originally. It would be one thing if we weren’t all power gamer wannabe reddit warriors, but that’s our world.
We’ve changed so classic should adjust.
PS - when I say broken you can sub in ‘poorly designed’ as that would be more accurate per Blizzard.
I’d consider it is, our ret does about 3k less and our enhances are just above him. our fury sits middle of the pack with the hunters and boomkins with our warlocks/mages usually topping the meters s few hundred DPS above me. of course this varies from fight to fight but that’s usually how it goes.
So you skipped Classic because warriors were overrepresented but you are fine with changes that make paladins even overrepresented in Wrath Classic 
Sure, that makes a ton of sense!
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I don’t want to be a megalodong here, but you have a green 25 average parse, you’re literally significantly worse than the literal average player. (This is dragged a bit up by a runemaster carry).
Now, that might seem hurtful or rude and that isn’t my intention, I just want to point out that your DPS or even experiences aren’t really a benchmark.
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Where is Ret though? The specs are just as important as the class.
Oh that’s why we don’t deal with nuance here lol 
Are they though?
If your spec misses a raid spot you have to choose another role. Which is not fun.
If your class doesn’t get a raid spot you have to reroll or play some other game if you hate leveling alts.
Both aren’t fun but they’re not “just as important”.
Assume Warriors aren’t viable (not a true claim btw but for sake of argument). We can’t just put on a skirt or shield and tank or heal. But if it’s just our dps role that’s not viable then we can, as miserable as that may be for many dps warriors.
There’s a reason Warriors having been the most represented class in vanilla Classic are now the least - relative power across all roles. In short, we are viable but relative to other classes we are weak in all roles. In vanilla Classic we were well OP. This is why some silly posters take the “you deserve it” angle. Also why balancing classes by popular vote is a stupid idea.
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Your guild may not have a spot for you to switch to healing or a tank.
I dunno about you, but I pick a role as much as I pick a class. “I want to be a dps priest.” If I suddenly got pushed into holy healing I wouldn’t want to play my priest anymore at this point. (I like disc, but you don’t need 2 disc priests)
That’s why it’s just as important.
lol what a joke. entitled AF players these paladins are I swear. This is like me picking mage or rogue and going “I want to be viable as a tank or healer. I have some of the best DPS but I want an okay tank or healer spec I don’t want to play DPS all the time”
If you want to be good at DPS, maybe pick the class for it. have you ever thought about that? or you just want to be able to have a class that can tank/heal/DPS whatever you feel like?
there are already like 15-20% of entire population playing Paladin. might as well mega buff their DPS spec so we can change that to 75%. Might as well rename the game World of Paladin like someone else said. lmfao.
LMAOOOOO this guy is just delusional and has no idea what meta is. They literally crying for more buff on Paladins AFTER getting a 10% DPS buff that scales 50% on AP LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I pick a class based on fun factor and then raiding. After that - role. It is important to me just not as important as the other two.
If I can’t get a raid spot I’ll reroll.
Essentially if I pick a role and my class can’t raid on it I’ll use my dual spec and raid on the other role. If that’s not an option well, I’ll play a class I can raid on.
I’m lucky, I’ve been dpsing in my guild since TBC and have a spot. Good luck any Warrior that wasn’t. Do you know any guild’s recruiting Warriors? How about Paladins?
It’s subjectively “as important” because your personal priority is role. You chose to roll a class based on a gamble that the only spec that class has that you enjoy would be in demand.
You could say I did the same with my “class” but there is a category degree of difference there - and that’s a hard fact. I gambled on one of three specs of a whole class being in demand and you gambled on 1 of 1.
Ask yourself honestly - if Pally players played Warriors right now - would they be happy with their lot - having their most viable spec be equal to Ret?
Role is a subset of class. For hybrid classes role is a strict subset. They’re not equivalent concerns (for hybrids), objectively.
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one small change to make SP more competitive - allow SW:P to benefit from haste. One of the signature Shadow Priest abilities doing 8-10% of their overall damage feels bad.
Yep. It’s not very good game design when you get punished for being the hardest class.