The caster experience in DF so far is BAD!

I decided to give it a shot on an alt and all I can say is… I’m sorry to every caster I have locked down previously. This is a horrible experience farming gear. Stun, stun, kick, enemy bubble/block/turtle, kick, stun, stun… rinse and repeat.

Unless you’re loaded with instants, pvp is in a pretty bad state.

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Rets are currently locking so many other specs out of the game.

Kinda crazy how bad PvP has gotten in two weeks.

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Funny, that hasn’t been my experience on any of my casters yet

Play destro lock, Cast for a half a second, move character, get precog, Kill 5 people for daring to push their interrupt

OR they kick your fear and you get to spam chaosbolt anyways

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Try doing some 1vNs as caster. Any caster that requires setup and cast times to do damage can be pretty frustrating to play when getting focused by 1+ players.

Team fights is a different story, ofc.

First off, I have, I live in bgs and good luck getting in a 1v1. It just doesn’t happen lol

Second off, 1v(X+1) is supposed to be difficult, Try killing a frost mage and a hunter as a warrior.

In the video, Venruki says the only 2 DPS classes that haven’t been wrecked by Rets are Warriors and Warlocks.

Most of the other DPS specs have been removed from PvP because of Rets.

And by Warlocks I am sure he means Demo.

Absolutely no disrespect, but streamers opinions on the game dont mean much to me. As far as im concerned they play a different game. I’ve had no issues on my fire mage, my ele shaman, my boomchicken, or my destro/aff lock. (no more than are expected of anyone in a specific scenario, Im not out here 1v9ing anyone on any class) (in a bg environment.)

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He’s not “just a streamer.”

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If you watch the video, he has data to support his viewpoint.

It’s arena-focused, but I think it somewhat carries over to bgs.

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Whatever you consider Venruki to be, he doesn’t play the same game you and i do.

Ill get back to you on the video in a moment <3

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Wat

Venruki q’ing for a bg, is not the same as you or i q’ing for one

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Who gives af what a streamer says?

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There is no separation of the bg ques so again, wat?

Link from the data in his video:

3v3 representation. https://drustvar.com/leaderboard/stats/us/3v3?top=1000

Check the last 7 days. Or the last 14 days.

When you have such a high representation of rets, with the casters disappearing, maybe you aren’t playing the game the rest of us are?

Considering he’s got a history of high level play ( https://liquipedia.net/worldofwarcraft/Venruki ), blizzard does.

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Do you consider yourself to be a Venruki level player? Because if you aren’t at his skill level, what you experience in any form of pvp combat is going to be different from what he experiences and how he deals with it. Because of that the situations you find yourself in are different from the ones he finds himself in. They are playing a different game than us.

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What does that have to do with the facts shown to you? Do you think the problems magically disappear if you que for bg’s opposed to SS or 3’s?

I take it you’re being intentionally obtuse.

But screw it ill bite. I wasnt saying that problems magically disappear between forms of combat, though you wont have exactly the same issues in bgs as you would 3s, or the same issues in 3s that you would RSS. That was never my point.

My point was that Venruki is not having the same experience in WSG that you are. I play with a couple people well above my skill level, and going into bgs, or arenas with them is COMPLETELY different than going with friends of my skill level. They play the game differently than we do and are put into different situations because of it.

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Good for Blizz I guess? lol

I see that you’re just trying to use a defense that is irrelevant.

Watch the video first. The toolkit doesn’t change in bg’s. Whether or not you play at his level is irrelevant. Everyone in ss, 3’s, and 2’s are reporting the issue with ret. It has already been called a melee heavy season and ret just made it worse. Where you que doesn’t change it.

So go watch the video before arguing.