The "Bring Back" thread

Bring back casting while moving like we had in MoP.

We’re in a meta where if you’re not a go-go-go short CD insta wombo combo class, you’re nothing.

Plus melee are hyper mobile. Remember back in MoP when feral cat form was still considered high mobility? Now it’s barely even considered true mobility.

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I think the reintroduction of previously culled abilities was spot on for this.

They brought back a lot of abilities because players complained about iconic abilities being taken away. In the end, players just stuck to their prescribed optimized rotations. (e.g. you almost NEVER see a DPS warrior use shield slam) Some players even complained there are too many abilities.

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I’ll use my wish to unwish your wish. We’re almost in a good place in terms of melee vs ranged balance. Melee can deal damage while moving but lose up-time while out of melee range of the boss, while ranged can deal damage while out of melee range of the boss but lose up-time while moving. That’s the intended balance.

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It’s not about balance, it’s about fun.

Where is the fun in chasing after the tank and melee DPS as a ranged player in M+ not being able to even cast your filler spell?

And when the melee does stop, it’s usually behind a pillar or a corner that you’re LOS-ed from anyway.

KJ’s cunning from WOD was perfect. It penalized you for casting and moving, but still allowed you to do it. It’s just a way to fill the emptiness. Not a way for you to be topping the meters 24/7.

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I’m copying this from a reddit posting I saved months ago:

  • Releasing all alternate Heritage Armor colors
  • Release all the unavailable Expedition Starter Zone transmogs
  • Increase the heirloom armor quality from green to blue again for better stats
  • Add the Vicious mount rewards available, as they did with the old pvp mounts
  • Add Mark of Honors rewards to the Legion Broken Isle pvp world quests again
  • Bring back the old World Quest Party system
  • Make seasonal transmogs available 24/7
  • Make former Brawler-rewards available on the Black Market
  • Increase the reputation income from the daily quests in Tol Barad and the Fireland invasion (as it has been done in Legion with the Allied Races)
  • Increase the drop rate and reputation income of the Medallion of the Legion in WoD
  • Increase the reputation income from the daily quests in the Icecrown Argent Tournament (Wrath of the Lich King)
  • Increase the reputation income from the daily quests in Pandaria
  • Making the Odon-fight available on the Timless Isle (Mists of Pandaria) again for everyone
  • Remove the inGame language barriers on RP-servers so they don’t have to use permanently the Elixir of Tongue
  • Making “Ensemble: Ceremonial Karabor Finery” and “Ensemble: Battlegear of the Frostwolves” account-wide unlockables in WoD. Currently you can only unlock it if you have exalted reps and the right class available. Not playing the right class removes the Ensembles from the NPC list.
  • Make the Battlegear of the Frostwolves available for Mail-users and add the freaking headgear people wanted for so long already
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Yeah, the idea of blue items being better than heirlooms made sense when heirlooms were cheaper, leveling items were replaced more frequently, and heirlooms gave bonus XP, but as it stands now there’s very little reason to use heirlooms unless you have a boundless quantity of gold.

Honestly, the only interaction I’ve had with heirlooms this expansion was to manufacture a level 50 sword to put a crusader enchant on for Mage Tower and that’s it, lol.

Imbalanced game is not fun. Sorry not sorry, ranged are completely fine. If you want to move and do damage, you can literally play a melee character.

MoP class design was a mess. Actually a joke. You can talk about how beloved MoP was all you want but MoP lost subs for the game so obviously it isn’t the savior you think it is.

They were nerfed because of MAUs and not because it was a wise decision. People earned and invested those Heirlooms, they should not be punished for using them, this is not a grind MMO, WoW is one of the top 3 MMOs of the world.

There were definitely people whining on the forum that heirloom gear made dungeon drops feel “pointless”, and that it made the content feel trivial. There was definitely feedback about heirlooms, it just happens that making these changes the same time you revmap the whole leveling experience and remove the bonus X P on heirlooms while still jacking up the price of new heirlooms, that’s too much.

I read it back then. But that was always the situation ever since they introduced those heirlooms. And people who have done this content endless of times should get rewarded for keeping the game alive. Who cares if the drops are irrelevant? You are going to keep it just until the next upgrade anyway.

Pandarian cloak quest so I can experience the Wrathion story (and go kill Ordos for the achievement).

Draenor ring quest and any other story-relevant quests removed from that expansion so I find out exactly what happened towards the end because right now several major plot points seem to be missing.

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Yeah, I’ve said it before -

FOMO rewards are fine. FOMO content is not.

Blizzard should really not be removing content from the game.

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Not more. It’s just a game with digital goods. Let people have fun and get what they want. I would be glad to give my Gul’dan Staff to the people who recently discovered the Guldan-set in WoD and can’t have it anymore because “reasons”.

No more FOMO. It’s just a game.

Wasn’t the Gul’dan staff an out-of-game marketing event? Or are you talking about something else?

Yes - and it’s part of the very same Black Froundry mythic set people can still farm. We have the very same issue with the Darkshore Warfront items. You can’t get the flying mount anymore yet the sets are available to farm/purchase.

I like spending time in the game, have and/or am enjoying the play from all these activities and would appreciate it if Blizzard did not reduce the things I enjoy in the game by making them require less time, effort and energy for the lazy and unappreciative. Legacy content has been ruined enough by that.

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I agree.
However we already have an imbalanced game.

It’s not about wanting to do damage, I just want to do something.

“Just play melee” you realise we’re in a thread asking for things right? Like a wish list?

That’s your opinion. I loved MoP class design, as did many others.

Ultimately, you’re trying to tell me my wish list is wrong… when it’s a personal opinion. Kind of weird.

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Most of those reputations are easy to farm but from the perspective of a newcomer it is cruel. You may know where the Zandalari Warbringers are or what tokens might drop from the Tanaan Jungle but these people do not.

Besides, most of the time you’ll need them only to unlock transmogs.

MoP Destro / Demo lock ( and Dark Apotheosis), literally ANY form of Frost DK that didn’t have or didn’t use Breath of Sindragosa, Ranged Survival Hunter, Smoke Bomb for Rogues (or give us a raid utility ability already for gods sake), Strike of the Wind Lord for Windwalker, Mistweaver stances because RJW Font spam is super cringe, Enhancement Shaman revert so it’s not a zero apm grandpa spec, bonus rolls even if it’s capped at 1 per week, Reforging, profession bonuses…

Edit: Also Burst of Speed and the ability to just buy flying again from the vendor. Sorry Blizzard I’ve “experienced” your zones in the 5 hours I spent leveling through them. Stop making me waste 6 months before I’m allowed to fly.

Aka all things that have literally a 0% chance of ever happening.

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The option to lower nameplate range distance in retail.
I have a forum post about it if you don’t know what I mean.
Surely I’m not the only one who really doesn’t like having hard locked 60 yard nameplates.

Also the option to hear all non party emote voice lines from other players again (Made another forum post on it).

Correct oceanic calendar times and day cycle. Current oceanic calendar is very confusing and I’m sure a lot of us want the actual correct time of day lighting for oceanic realms.

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A newcomer wouldn’t even be in any of those expansions.

A newcomer enters Exile’s Reach, is funneled into Battle for Azeroth and then right thru to Shadowlands. The only way they are going to end up in the Argent Tounament, Tol Barad or Firelands is by exploring legacy content on their own. And if they are explorers, they will figure it all out.

And making it a shorter exercise will certainly not make it easier to figure out. In fact, it would make it harder because there would be less chances to.

And recipes/patterns.

And mounts.

And pets.

And toys.

And there have been a couple that unlocked more story.

But even if a person is only interested in doing the rep for transmog, that does not negate the need for an expenditure of time, effort and energy. The sense of satisfaction from leveling has already been ruined by making it quick and easy, and therefore irrelevant; let’s not do that to collecting too.

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