Whoa, whoa, whoa. We don’t need that kind of talk here.
Everyone needs to be the same. Remember?
4 expansions, roughly. They know better than us.
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Were they wrong? What does it matter about the size of the group or who’s in the group?
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Actually not only do they not listen:
- The had an entire thread in the ‘alpha forums’ mocking the people who provided the feedback as well as the player base.
- As feedback continued into live, the developers took to Twitter to blame the ‘theorycrafters’ for the community sentiments and then during that same conversation
- Lectured the player base on HOW to give feedback because apparently the feedback they received wasn’t in a format they liked. Which is still pinned to at least one developers twitter as to ‘how to give feedback’.
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I think it’s to the point where we can just rename the x.x.5 patch the “We hear you” patch.
It’s just the system now.
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Most people are mad because someone on twitch/youtube told them they should be mad. Ask them why, and they will recite point for point what they saw in a video.
Imagine people having their own opinion.
BTW that was the developer’s line of thinking as well. Does that mean your concept of it came from them?
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I care buddy, I care.
Why do we stub our toe? So we can learn not to walk barefoot in the kitchen. --Alfred probably
Pandaria? I think Miffed fits there.
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Wrong.
This is procedural Blizzard BS we’ve put up for again and again.
They haven’t learned a damn thing, they’re just caving since their predatory systems are no longer the only choice on the gaming market.
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I dont give youtubers any attention.
Its still bad.
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Betas have never been about fixing poor game design. By that point it is already decided what is going live. Instead, there are specific ways they want the testers to interact with the content that they don’t even articulate to the testers. I’ve seen more than a few people getting frustrated and venting throughout different beta test phases, usually along the lines of “you clearly don’t care what we have to say, so what do you actually want us to test in here?” Maybe the current shakeup will change that process. Come next expansion, we’ll see.
Personally, I’m pretty sure betas are mostly just testing stability and encounter design tuning.
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What a way to just invalidate criticisms anybody has had just because “someone I don’t like also might have said this.” People tend to arrive at the same conclusions WITHOUT interacting with other people and taking their words verbatim.
This has been Blizzard’s game for 3 expansions now. Release a buggy system, ignore all feedback on how to make it tolerable for players, make players deal with it for a year, then fix it and expect massive praise because “Oh my God, they’re listening!” only for them to do it again next expansion.
Just because Asmongold said people should be mad at this doesn’t mean it devalues the point, or reasons why people are mad. These things should just be fixed on release because it’s always POINT FOR FRICKEN POINT the EXACT feedback on the forums that players already gave them.
It was stupid it took us all the way until 7.3.5 (basically 7 months until BFA) to fix the core problem people had with legendaries and being unable to influence the one they get, or when they get one. Then they launch Azerite Armor which functions much the same way except over three pieces of gear, WITHOUT A CURRENCY OR A VENDOR FOR PEOPLE TO GET WHAT THEY ACTUALLY WANT UNTIL 8.1 IN ADDITION TO AZERITE GEAR NOT DROPPING FROM M+.
That should have been a launch thing. “Oh hey, we’re going to reuse the same system.” “Should we maybe use some of the fixes we learned along the way?” “Nah, it’ll be fine, trust me bro.”
This line of thinking that “Oh someone I don’t like said that exact thing so it’s invalid” is about as stupid as because a racist owned a dog thinking dog owners are racist. A lot of them also enjoyed food, you going to just not eat because someone you don’t like eats food?
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stop. making. bad. systems.
or even better…
stop. making. systems.
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I care about the food
Whats cooking ? 
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Pretty much.
I and many others on this forum alone, were practically begging for Blizzard to change the Covenant system due to the foreseen issues.
But nope, instead we have to wait until 9.1 fails and Blizzard even gets into Legal trouble in order for them to fix their 
typical.
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You cared just enough to post either because you disagree and want to be edgy or you want attention. Either way, you posted.
A number of posters here don’t remember the beta at all. There were a vast number of threads in the beta forum about the issues that are being resolved now, and most of those concerns are vindicated by Blizzard themselves. Think about that for a moment - Blizzard agree with the feedback given back in beta and are finally admitting it and fixing the issues.
But it’s a year late. People aren’t angry or raging now, they just don’t care any more. Most moved on, hence the scope of the 9.1.5 patch, aka the “Please come back for the quarterly numbers!” patch in the cycle.
Alpha and beta dev phases exist for a reason, and people giving feedback often hit upon the deep issues in design early enough that the issues can be fixed. Blizzard are infamous for ignoring feedback during the alpha and beta phases, and the cycle posted in the OP is exactly right.
I have to laugh at some posters characterising this as players want it all, or never want to work for anything or best of all - aren’t system designers so they don’t know how hard it is to do this stuff. Hilarious stuff from people defending Blizzard as being right both before and after admitting their mistake. Both can’t be true. Accept it and be happy if this patch brings some people back.
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I’d like to write off this comment as entirely worthless. Actually, it’s less than worthless. Not only does it not contribute to the thread, it actually adds negative value. It doesn’t make a point, and simply serves to annoy or anger others.
Thanks for your contribution.
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