It’s not hard to understand, not sure why some people are having trouble with this.
The price of flasks is the direct result of the scarcity of black lotus. The math has been trotted out several times showing that in 2005 there were enough black lotus for every single raider to flask and then some.
The way black lotus works now, we have just a little over 2,000 spawning lotus a week to supply 22,000 active raiders. That’s not okay. That’s not how the game was designed, and it needs fixed.
Is there something wrong with the way your brain works? How is it the player’s fault that Blizzard neglected to adjust the amount of black lotus in the game to match the increased population?
To arrive at this conclusion is really impressive as it requires you to ignore some pretty obvious and basic facts.
Black Lotus spawn rate. The spawn rate implemented by the developers was equivalent to Vanilla warcraft spawn rates but in 2025. This alone ignores all the improvements the Developers themselves have implemented over the last 20 years in regards to spawn rates vs population sizes. Which brings us to the next point
Population size. Vanilla servers had a cap of 2.5k players online (this is from Mark Kern himself). According to wow census from yesterday, Nightslayer had 29666 players online. I’m not sure of the math here but with 4 layers that’s on average 7500 players per layer which means one single layer in 2025 holds more than 2.5 times the players of a single Vanilla server. Nightslayer population is 12x that of a vanilla server.
Do you begin to understand why using spawnrates designed for a population 12 times less might create artificial inflation due to supply shortages? This doesn’t even include the fact that the Vanilla raiding population was significantly smaller percentage of the population and people were stupid back then and the game wasn’t solved like it is now.
This situation is 100% entirely the developers fault.
They have 20 years of game data to build predictive models.
They have 20 years of player behaviour to anticipate.
They have 20 years of fixes to learn from.
The worst part is that it’s not actually the developers fault, it’s some mid-tier Project Manager trying to justify their job blocking devs from fixing the problem.
isn’t your argument making the assumption that there is some preferred ratio between black lotus spawn rate and the population of players? maybe there ISN’T a preferred ratio. maybe black lotus just has a finite amount spawned per week and whatever the population is is supposed to just deal with it.
I mean if you want to completely ignore everything we’ve learned about markets and economics over the last 100 years and invent some scenario where there is never an equilibrium sure.
I mean come dude if you actually took 20s to think about it you’d realize that.
100% black lotus - means black lotus for every single player. We know this isn’t necessary as not every single person raids, not every single class benefits from flasks other than padding HP with titans.
Current Supply - Run away inflation is show that the demand is incredibly high but the supply is incredibly low.
Somewhere between 100% and the current supply lies the equilibrium.
I’m sure you know that though, you just pretend to be stupid for the forums.
You missed the point. The population is creating the demand through entitlement.
Its not a game rule or requirement that you have to flask. The game isn’t forcing you to flask - its a self imposed player ideal that the game doesn’t acknowledge. The players are creating the demand, not the other way around.
If you want to flask you either have an alch/herbalist and put the time/effort in or you buy from someone who did. If the demand is high, and it is, expect to pay a premium and you know its justified because you “can’t” raid without it.
I’ve done the math previously. Given all Black Lotus that have spawned since the servers came out in November of 2024 every single player would only have been able to have access to 3 flasks.
Do you feel that having a flask every 37 days is a reasonable supply? If flasks were 100% free would you feel okay only being allowed to have one every 5 lockouts?
Imagine players feeling entitled to having black lotus spawns rates coincide with server populations in 2025 not 2005.
This isn’t even high school level basic economics it’s just simple algebra.
edit: If the population is 12x higher the availability of open world materials should be at least 12x higher to maintain the same supply. Due to layering the available black lotus supply is only 4x higher than a vanilla server in 2005.
It’s pretty easy for blizz to fix too. They can just adjust spawn rates for the amount of layers.
At 6 layers it’s 100% spawn rate, 5 133%, 4 166%, 3 200%. And now maybe it will get to a point where you can make them, vs ignore that entire part of alchemy.
Comparisons to 2005 are empty and manipulative justifications that mean nothing. Its not 2005 and you’re not playing vanilla.
They could do that and you would hardly notice because you’re swipers keep the bots employed to compete with you and they will not be deterred.
They should just put them on a vendor for like 50g a pop so you can parse and the rest of us can laugh at your ezmode flasks. Win/win.
Then we can come together in the new threads about how 50g a flask is an outrageous conspiracy by Blizzard to screw everyone over and how they should basically be free because trust me bro.
Super weak and intellectually dishonest attempt to deflect.
The entire point is that we aren’t playing in 2005 anymore so why is it acceptable to have 2005 spawn rates?
They could do that and you would hardly notice because you’re swipers keep the bots employed to compete with you and they will not be deterred.
Empty and manipulative statement that means nothing. Huge appeal to emotion.
They should just put them on a vendor for like 50g a pop so you can parse and the rest of us can laugh at your ezmode flasks. Win/win.
Then we can come together in the new threads about how 50g a flask is an outrageous conspiracy by Blizzard to screw everyone over and how they should basically be free because trust me bro.
Yeah, in every scenario there is some victim that needs saving. You’re not a victim, why pretend?
Its intellectually dishonest to bring up 2005 spawn rates, 2005 player behaviors and 2005 server population numbers in a highly altered spin off of a 2005 MMO and say you’re being screwed over because its not 2005 anymore.
You’re playing the 2025 replica version of it that came with zero guarantees, an established history and advanced warnings and still want to whine about it. You tell me why you’re crying, why do I have to guess? What does it say on the back of your victim card?
People said they wanted fresh because they love vanilla just like they said they wanted a classic relaunch because they love vanilla. Then they pretty much got it and then tell the forum that they thought they wanted to play vanilla even though they didn’t and its somehow Blizzards problem that they got too realistic version of it in that they have to go out and do stuff and its not faceroll easy like they want it to be.
I guess Classic isnt for everyone like Blizzard said if you think you should have enough flasks to curbstomp MC on a whim in a weak reboot of a classic game.
There are no bots farming black lotus and no gold buyers? Sure, just go into denial and blame me for your willful ignorance if you think that helps you in any way.
this isn’t correct, they already buffed the rates in original classic and anniversary servers have buffed the rates again for a 2nd time (no one knows the rates), u should know this if you are into the math like you say you are
want to share with the class how you did maths on spawn rates u didnt know, on servers u dont know how many layers there are, without knowing when every lotus was picked for the first time or picked after each spawn? yeah…
high school level basic economics = make stuff up to suit my own narrative then say its fact
kind of insane in all of your research into how black lotus works and all your math u didnt even notice that it was buffed already, that would sort of bring your credibility into question wouldn’t it? Kinda makes me think ur just full of it
oh dear, surely you weren’t doing the math based off of vanilla spawn rates? wouldn’t that make everything you just said completely and utterly wrong?
This went the way of the dance studio - it never happened. If it did, it reverted back on the first reset. There isn’t one single theorycrafter who’s been able to pin down a spawn timer that’s less than what it always was.
This doesn’t increase the amount of black lotus spawning. It just gives more locations where it can spawn - it’s still one per zone.
Blizzard hasn’t done jack in anniversary to solve the BL problem.
It was still ONE LOTUS PER ZONE. There were just more possible places where it could spawn. That was done because guilds and such were camping spawn points.
i’m pretty confident you guys have never played wow classic before this anniversary server and just make up tin foil hat stuff to suit whatever ur saying at the time
, so they added new possible spawn points but didn’t increase the rates, despite saying they did?
oh my god, straight up feelscraft “it didn’t happen but if it did, it didn’t!”
you believe blizzard has said two times that there has been black lotus buffs and have lied both times, you think that they are deliberately not buffing them but saying they are, so your solution is to go on the forums every single day and ask for a 3rd buff from the same company who you say has lied about it being buffed two times already?
make this make sense
either you don’t believe what you are saying or you are really stupid, if they had some very tinfoil motive to prevent you getting lotus but saying they are buffing it, they’d just do it again instead of letting you riot on the forums for a month over it
maybe there ISN’T a preferred ratio. maybe black lotus just has a finite amount spawned per week and whatever the population is is supposed to just deal with it.
, so they added new possible spawn points but didn’t increase the rates, despite saying they did?