The Black Lotus problem

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its not out of the realm of possibility, and blizzard has not kept promises in the past.

the people who are actually getting lotus’s are saying themselves how they dont see any increase in spawn rates, and the lack of availability on the ah further corroborates this.

blizzard has been known to show unheard of levels of incompetence (fully geared sod players ending up with fresh players in av for example) so its not out of the realm of possibility that they Fd something up and simply didnt realize it.

realy, its just the lack of transparency that i have a problem with. they never said what they actually did with black lotus, and for all we know it was nothing lol.

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the 2020 buffs were incredibly noticeable, they crashed prices instantly and kept flasks under 100g for basically all of classic except the end parts of naxx, that’s why people remember such cheap flasks in og classic

the 2020 buff has never a single time been questioned up until basically this thread lol.

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im not talkign about the 2020 buff. im talking about to 2025 buff.

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but outis is talking about the 2020 buff never happening, he says they lied both times, that’s what my message that you responded to was about

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ok, fine. you got me there. maybe i missed that part.

i cant speak for anyone else and i quit in 2019 before lotus became a problem, so maybe youre right.

im not speaking of 2020, i am speaking of 2025, and from what it appears, and the consensus amongst lotus farmers is that no changes were actually made, and if changes were made it was so negligible that it had no affect on the market.

regarding the other part of your reply, i think 100g flasks are fair. farming 100g per week is nothing to slouch at. its still going to take time, and effort, and people will want to engage in gameplay to farm them at that price. 100g for lotus is perfectly fine, 100g flasks are a bit low ill admit, but for the lotus, 100g is more than fair.

im looking back at the 2020 buff and im reading this:

In original WoW, designers planned Black Lotus Black Lotus around a technical limitation – only 10 spawn locations per node type could be active at the same time in the same zone. We no longer have that limitation, but it gives us a design intention that we can work with: Black Lotus Black Lotus was supposed to spawn in the widest variety of locations, while there could only be one up at a time in each zone. As always, our goal is to minimize differences from original World of Warcraft, and we feel this is a case where we can follow that design intention in a way that is warranted by modern conditions as well as beneficial to players.

We’re going to increase the spawn rate of Black Lotus Black Lotus, and we’re going to add many additional possible spawn locations in each of the Black Lotus Black Lotus zones. With a different hotfix, we’re working on making it so that a player cannot see a Black Lotus on-screen or on their minimap if they’re dead, unless they have 300 Herbalism Herbalism.

So, what they’re planning to do is:

Increase how often Black Lotus appears in the game.
Add more places where Black Lotus can spawn in each zone.

so originally there were 96 lotus’s added to the market each day, shared between H and A.

except we have 3 layers so its 288 lotus per day, minimum because layers will increase over the course of the day as more players log on.

what exactly changed in 2020? they said they were going to increase the spawn rate, and increase the amount of places it can spawn. i do believe that the spawn locations have increased, but are we seeing the increased supply from 2020 also?

im not saying we are or arent, because i dont think we have a real way to track how many flasks are being consumed each week, vs how many are sold on ah, vs how many lotus’s are sold.

this comes back to the transparency issue i have with blizzard and the way they cant actually describe in detail what, if any, changes were actually made.

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How, exactly, did they BUFF BL on anniversary servers??? As stated over and over and freaking over, the theorycrafters have seen NO CHANGE in lotus spawn times.

And exactly how do you suppose increasing the locations for BL spawns increases the supply when they still spawn one per zone? How is that a buff to BL?

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In 2020 the “fixed” black lotus respawn time was “supposed” to be between 15-30 minutes. That is absolutely not the case on anniversary, nor has any improvement been documented since they claimed they were fixing it.

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you’re free to use flask for the lol classic raids but stop crying if you can’t afford buying it.
only kids cry when they can’t buy what they wants ><

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Or, you know, keep asking for Blizzard to fix their mistake.

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this argument is too simplistic. Some people Want to farm for their consumes so they feel their time outside raid is improving their experience in raid. The problem is how many hours you need to farm to get these items is just becoming too big and it’s leading to people burning out. If you want classic to do well, you must accept some things need to be adjusted based on circumstances (we all seen the no clipping bots).

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The most simple solutions are quite often the best

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Again, no one cares about parses on an anni server with a rushed time line. Everyone has done it. The only people that care are the bads that couldn’t get good parses last classic.

All content is easy enough up until naxx to not require flasks.

If people want to spend 500g on a lotus, so be it.

If you make it easier to farm just means everyone in world PvP and BGs will be popping them like candy.

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Tension building for the black lotus season finale! believe the hype! This may be your last chance to unload product before Naxx/AQ market shrinkage!!! This is what you came here for! the Big Event! Black Lotus Bonanza!

Get in quick and sell fast, buy up competitive stock that falls below threshold, keep an eye on things though or you might end up overspending and be unable to make returns! my expectations? A lot of people bout to get soaked!

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Oh no!

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Making them affordable and available enough for everyone to have them is the same thing.

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I doubt a pagle player would understand the ramifications of this.

This isn’t sod or som

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no way…people doesn’t get same benefits under high scaled condition even if it’s equal in number.
so every class in pvp with flask of titan is not the same as if every class in pvp without them.

also Hell Nooooo it will be hell if everyone started to use [Flask of Petrification] in wpvp and in bg;s.

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AV is serious business.

I’ve been in retail dabbling of late. I saw a mage troll with ice wall on gate up.

the nerd rage flowed! horde at the time liked turtles in most AV’s seen so far that night.

I was going meh, guess we are a few seconds late to turtle time.

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There are no ramifications.

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Yeah, people spamming petri pots sure makes for good pvp