I agree…They caused this and for what?
I mean, asmongold gets more views on a random vid than the last AWC got 
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OTK’s Mak’Gora’s winner will get a bigger payout too (oh, maybe that’s just the cups I was looking at. The “season” finale is $70k, but the pre-tournament “cups” are only $5k)
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Wanna know the worst part? it ruins the whole atmosphere of the game. instantly becomes a slot machine. anyone who says its already like that is just a a product of themselves. I’ve had tons of laughs and repeated runs with the same group. now I get qued to a dungeon 8 levels below me that’s already been cleared. oh and if you leave you get deserter and cant que for 30 mins… worst addition, ruined the complete experience for me
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You know you can still manually create your group, right? And keep running dungeons with the same people if you want.
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You don’t even have to disband the group you’re in. You could just keep running with the same people over and over if you’re having a good time.
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Surely if there are so many people getting gatekept–if the problem was as widespread as you claim–they would not leave the group because of a low ilvl party leader–being low ilvl themselves no?
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Surely if there are so many people against RDF - if the “purity of Classic” is as important as you claim - there would be more than enough people still grouping manually that you wouldn’t have to worry about RDF’s existence?
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I dont think anyone really cares about the existence of RDF, i certainly don’t. I’m running RDF right now with a 5 man stack. It just makes things faster to not have to run to each dungeon lol.
This was more for the question of why people who perceived to be getting gatekept couldn’t simply make their own groups from the beginning.
With so many people getting gatekept, groups should fill insta if you just make it yourself and open the doors to any and all yea?
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See, if everyone played at the exact same time on the exact same server and was always looking for the exact same thing, you’d have a point
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So your point is it was never about gatekeeping, it was about low population/availability of other players? I’m really trying to understand your argument here.
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It’s not complicated, and the two aren’t mutually exclusive.
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You’re right, they’re not. But you specifically said:
Which is what I’m addressing at this moment. Gate-keeping never stopped anyone from making their own groups. If your group wasn’t filling when you made your own group, it wasn’t because of gatekeeping. It was because of low pop/availability.
RDF is great. RDF helps with the issue of low pop absolutely. But it never “fixed” gatekeeping because gatekeeping was a self imposed issue.
No, it wasn’t. Again, it’s not complicated. If people are refusing someone from their groups, those some people aren’t going to turn around and join that person’s group
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Ah, but thats the thing. Why would someone who is 5.6k GS want to run with someone whos 3.5k?
More to the point, why do you need or even want them to?
If gatekeeping is something so insidious, surely just inviting 4 other players similarly geared was always going to be the answer. It always was.
The literal only reason someone couldn’t fill a group before RDF would be if they played on a low pop server and there simply wasnt anyone around–but that’s not exactly gatekeeping.
Your celebration of RDF as a means of “ending gatekeeping” sounds silly, because you’re effectively saying you didn’t want to play with others at your gear level, and deserve to play with people more geared then yourself, which is at the very least, a hot take.
100% this.
No one has kept them from anything.
They could have made their own group, with their own requirements for dungeons or raids.
As many people complain about the fake “gatekeeping” they’d had plenty of people join them, but they rather complain.
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Because the content doesn’t necessitate being higher, and by helping other people gear up it both builds bridges with other players and increases the number of players at the endgame with which to do other content with, like raiding
My “celebration of RDF” is the ability to play alts without having to run the same thousand quests for the 20th time, it has nothing to do with ending gatekeeping. I had no issues getting groups before, but that’s because I had friends and a guild that helped me get started. I’m not going to pretend there was never any issue before
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That’s fair. It just so happens that in this particular thread, the OP literally listed it as the primary reason:
Which when you began defending it with “why would people want to join my party when I’m low GS”, sounds, a little suspect.
All I did was call out the hypocrisy of the “just make your own group” non-answer. It’s the same energy as telling a depressed person to just stop being sad
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Huh? You’re still not getting it. A depressed person physically can’t stop being sad. A person whos not getting invited to groups because of their gear absolutely can make their own group.
The only reason that group would then fail to fill if they play on a low pop server, which again–has either has nothing to do with gatekeeping, or is due to the party leader then deciding to gatekeep other people who are also low gear score, which is its own separate hilarious hypocrisy.
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Funny, I was going to say the same thing to you
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