The best loot system PUT TO REST. Everything you need to know IN HERE

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Let me start out saying that ANY loot system is potentially the BEST for you, and depends on your weaknesses and strengths.

Let me explain.

GDKP: is great for people who have economic literacy, like to earn and save gold through either farming or trading, or both. This system allows you to get BIS quicker than almost any other system. It is tied with loot council, but quite easily more moral. This system is also great for full geared players just looking for their share of the gold pot at the end! Do not show up to one of these unless you are willing to accept the math. If youre poor you will leave a little richer, but without an item. If you want to get better at this system, then read books by Charlie Munger and Warren Buffet.

LOOT COUNCIL: Is great if you are the type of person that loves to grift people. If your specialty is manipulation, then this is BY FAR the best means of gearing up the quickest, as it takes less effort and time than farming gold… Convince 39 players that they are being prioritized for loot based on some well sounding logic, and watch them earn you loot. You can bribe members of the guild which dont compete with your loot type to help perpetuate the scam. We call them the LOOT COUNCIL. If a system can be abused, then humans will abuse it. And there is nothing wrong with that! Do not participate in these unless you are at the top of the pyramid scheme. If you want to get better at this system, then read books by Donald Trump, or “influence, the art of persuasion” by Robert B. Caldini.

FREE ROLL: This system is THE BEST SYSTEM for people who are not economically literate and are not great in the art of manipulation. It is best for someone who has very few or no BIS items yet, as you get a chance to roll on absolutely anything you may need. If you already have most of your BIS, then you are wasting time here. Move onto a SR raid, where you can be one of the few people to roll on the only item you need. There is no getting better at this system other than realizing when its time to move on. This is probably the best system for the majority of people.

SOFT RESERVE: Best for people who only need 1-3 items. You can leave these groups before they start if theres too many people rolling on your items, but chances are, you have a lot of people reserving garbage that should really be in a Free roll run. This is also on par situationally being the best system for the majority of people.

DKP: best for the people who are very reliable in life, and show up to every raid, but do not have the time to farm gold or manipulate people to funnel them loot. This is the BEST GUILD SYSTEM hands down.

So to conclude, it is not a matter of BEST or WORST in general. It is very specific to you, and you should personalize your experience based on your strengths and weaknesses.

A lot of people, through ignorance will participate in runs which are sub-optimal to their strengths and weaknesses then complain afterward.

Ignorance is a key driver in human misery and this post is an attempt to help people find their place in the world.

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Something tells me this only works as advertised when you have enough geared and experienced people to carry the raid. So of course it is faster because most the other (your class here) in the raid have BiS gear already. So on Era this would be a really fast way to gear a new 60.

Making the case that on a fresh(ish) server where the best items in the tier are still needed by most is not at all convincing.

This is the best loot system if you want fast runs and you play with chill people who aren’t gonna have a meltdown if they lose a roll. Get some regulars who can play and go pump super fast and fun runs - simply the best.

To be clear I’m talking Need if you need it, Greed if you could use it in your off spec - or pass. Have an enchanter Greed after everyone passes to disenchant and roll on the mats at the end. Super good if you don’t play with scumbags.

I don’t like the spin on this but it is fair. Real guilds that get stuff done for progression need reliable people who can play and DKP is the best loot system for such a guild.

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It is bis indeed. I’m about to ding 60 in a day or so and then will do my first gdkp!

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I remember seeing 55s in a GDKP, you can start right now!

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I’m only 54 atm

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Which you will always have because they are actually fairly compensated for their time.

It’s the other loot system who have this problem. Why would a fully bis’d out character continue raiding MC otherwise?

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this is patently false, it lets you get bis if you’re a swiper, but it is a zero sum game, only one person can have the highest bid and anyone else is still waiting and if the group changes from week to week you could be out bid by quite a lot. Don’t get me wrong i dont have a problem with gdkp (in principle at least, but since they’re banned they shouldn’t be brought back until gold buying is fixed), they do provide a decent incentive for people who already have gear to continue to raid.

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False, I won most of my bis in GDKP SOD, never swiped once. Its not zero sum, at the end of the run everyone gets a split of the gold that was pooled.

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that is literally zero sum, one person loses gold the others gain gold the sum change is 0 the very definition of a 0 sum game,

but the gold is not really the question. one person gets loot everyone else who wanted the item loses and has to wait another week, this is the very nature of wow (unless you wanna start talking about personal loot, but i’m not inclined to go there.)

great annecdote, but that means that there were other people there that did not get that loot.

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Exactly, and we are on Tier 1 now. So where are these BiS geared players who are gonna carry everyone coming from? Have there even been enough lockouts for there to be that many wearing BiS for this phase?

How would GKDP solve this problem now on Anniversary? The reality is that it would be just like any other PUG and go about as well only with higher potential for drama and susery.

As for raiding MC forever until TBC drops, there will be people running it for the length of Classic to get the few really solid items from there and Onyxia heads and bags. Probably.

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everyone gets something they want, Be it loot or gold. that is not zero sum. Zero sum is Bitcoin, where the top of the pyramid will get all of the money, and the late comers get nothing. Where you simply transfer wealth and get nothing in return.

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This is a great post. Thank you.

After reading all the versions the best loot system for me would either be gdkp or dkp

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your understanding “zero sum” is sophomoric at best. In game theory a zero sum game is any selection process where for one to win others must lose, this includes GDKP

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True but as a conciliation prize you walk away with a bunch of gold which you can put toward your item the next week

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No, actually, youre wrong again. every other loot system besides GDKP or DKP is zero sum, as people will leave with nothing at all or everything at the expense of others. In GDKP or DKP you at least leave with future purchasing power for items you missed out on (GOLD OR DKP) if you dont understand this, I dont have more time to explain.

I have to ignore your posts going forward, they are illogical at best, baiting troll at worst.

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sure, but i think most people would rather just have the item rather than 1/40th the cost of the item, and if the group isn’t the same from week to week you might be facing weeks of one person outbidding you getting the item and then not showing up the next week making room for someone else to come in and out bid you, if the item even drops.

And i’ll remind you that i don’t have a problem with GDKPs in principle, but this notion that everyone can use GDKP to gear up faster is rubbish.

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I literally laughed out loud. You don’t get gold from farming or trading. You get gold from going to GDKP without rolling on items or by buying gold. There are 2 types of GKPER’s “I got paid for getting carried and then bought items after other people” and “I bought gold with real $$ so I could get items first”

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If you were allowed to do GDKP now in Tier 1 content it wouldn’t be what you want it to be.

The players who show up with a boat load of gold (we’ll leave how they got that gold out of it) would take home everything they want.

The players who only got gold would be richer, but maybe not rich enough to actually bid and win on their BiS drops for a while.

Your other raiders who are not winning bids probably need many items from there still. Onyxia’s head, Flameguard Gauntlets, Onslaught Girdle, Quickstrike Ringe, Band of Accuria, Deathbringer, Vis’kag, Perdition’s Blade, Core Hound Tooth, Brutality Blade, Bonereaver’s Edge/Spinal Reaper, Stirker’s Mark/Blastershot Launcher…

That’s just the shopping list (minus maybe weapon choices) of every Warrior in the game right now in this phase.

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Blind soft reserve is the only way.

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what kind of ignorant post is this? how can one even say you dont get gold from farming and trading? if i go do DME jump runs for 100g/hr then i get 100g. If I do mage boosts for 1 hour i get 150g, if i flip items on the AH i get a varying degree of results.

and yes, you also get gold from the gdkp run itself. And yes, there are gold buyers and they will compete with you. and YES you can buy gold too if you really suck at farming and trading.

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