The Auction House is a Parasitic, Monopolistic Force on the Game

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“The great cause of inequality in the distribution of wealth is inequality in the ownership of land. The ownership of land is the great fundamental fact which ultimately determines the social, the political, and consequently the intellectual and moral condition of a people.”

  • Henry George, Progress and Poverty

Indeed, as Henry George published his 1879 work ‘Progress and Poverty’, a treatise on inequality and market inefficiency, he identified a major problem with then contemporary markets: The stifling of free enterprise under the monopolistic control of uncreated value in land, space, and natural resources. He believed that as land and its resources became less plentiful, the ensuing rise in economic Rent (not necessarily petty apartment rents) would eat away at both the productive enterprise of capital and the wages of labor. This phenomenon was the cause of depressions and the cyclical nature of the business cycle - Speculation on the value of assets whos value is created by demand like any other good or service, but unlike them, is not produced or created. A value owned and dominated by one person, made by everyone but him.

Without going too far into the moral ideas, or the real world data and examples inspired by his ideas (late 20th Century Detroit, Philadelphia in the late 1970’s, modern Singapore, among many others) his ideas ultimately culminated in a movement of people with an interest in breaking up monopolistic and aristocratic-first privilege in the market so that free enterprise and individual freedom alike would be able to flourish through fair competition. This thinking is natural as well: Even Blizzard implements some level of protection against “landlordism”, forcing old character names back into pool of free names.

I have come today to bring attention to the unruly speculation of the Auction House, and how the insane level of market manipulation ultimately damages the economy and forces casual honest players into abject poverty. I also offer a solution below.

It is very simple: Large gold whales are able to buy up massive amounts of goods, only to flip them for 3x, sometimes even in my experience, 15x the price. What is the effect? They continue to get richer, and the newer or more casual players are stuck selling low and buying high.

You might say “Well they put in the work! They are shrewd and smart!”. They do not work. They do not create anything. They merely speculate and create inflation at the total whim of their mood on any particular day. They did not farm(produce) the materials, they do not create opportunities for the economy with their gold. In their massive greed, they effectively destroy farming as a legitimate method of playing the game and force players into buying gold, only compounding the problem by either quite literally printing gold out of thin air, or pushing said desperate players to shady, risky third party gold sale sites that break the EULA. They are the reason content is gatekept by gold prices, them and the botters that is. It is a sick and twisted mindset that finds this not practical, but valuable and moral.

MY SOLUTION; A TLDR -

In short, the auction house is structured in a way that allows rife abuse of massive gold conglomerates that allow pricing to swing wildly based on their petty speculation. In this process they impoverish other players, eliminate legitimate playstyles, encourage third party gold sellers, and suck valuable server bandwidth in their millions of auction house calls.

I propose that based on an accounts use of the auction house (ie, the server bandwidth you demand), the auction house cut should be adjusted dynamically. The more you use it, the higher percentage you pay. This would not affect 90% of people who play the game without speculating and hurting their fellow player: Posting even dozens of posts a day from herbs you have farmed, or buying your guilds flasks, whatever, are not the issue and should not be the target. But these gold-changing lunatics are absolutely castrating the economy of wow in all versions and should be stopped, allowing accurate auction pricing to exist freely for all players to enjoy.

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And next year you will be quoting Vickus

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I don’t find responses like this helpful to discussion. Disagree all you want but provide some substance.

Actually a pretty decent idea, dont know how it would be put into the game though.

Another option could be what alot of companies now do, and put a trade ban on recently purchased goods. Say 1-2 weeks? Make it so the item isnt listable for 2 weeks. Stops people buying out markets and replacing them with the same goods.

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You’re absolutely right. I’ve said the same thing in a much abbreviated form here. But in the end it’s just a game and blizzard won’t be making changes like that in classic. I just don’t use the AH very much to worry much about it.

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I cant think of a single nation on earth where the people actually own the land.

If you think for a moment you do, then try not paying the govt the rent.

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In Australia the first nations people are given the ownership rights of land. Their ownership supersedes any government interference.

I vote to burn it down

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Australia? :eyes:

I don’t have that high of an ambition, I think burning down the auction house would be good enough. :slight_smile:

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It’s not just about the ownership of the land. That’s just one way to accrue wealth. It’s also how the wealthy increase both their wealth and land ownership. During many famines the wealthy controlled the food. Food has rotted in warehouses because the people can’t afford to buy it while those who control the food force small landowners to sell their land to buy the food thereby increasing their control of the land.

It’s somewhat similar in how the wealthy in wow will control the AH by buying out and reselling goods at higher prices. It does bother me somewhat that a small number of wow players increase their wealth by controlling the market in certain goods just as the wealthy in some countries do the same to impoverish their people. It’s the same system. But then, this is just a game and no one is being impoverished by the wealthy in wow manipulating the market.

I buy out the under cutters occasionally. Only when they are really being silly about the price cuts.

Are they under cutters or is the price artificially inflated by the resellers? I believe the market is being manipulated by the few wealthy who like to play the game of economics. It’s a game I don’t like to play, many don’t, and we are likely victimized by those who enjoy it. Now again this is just a game and no one is seriously hurt by it but in many countries it becomes life or death for the inhabitants.

We could discuss Martin Shkrili as example of this. He’s an extreme example and he lives in a country not fully under the control of the wealthy. But people like him control the pharmaceuticals in some countries and do cause people to die to increase their wealth.

Feywaif; maybe you should learn to play the game. figure out an item you can farm then see if the time spent farming is worth the gold from the sale. There are other ways to accumulate gold, just find the one that triggers your fancy.

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Literally everyone can do it, including you.

It’s dumb decision that can hurt a lot of legitimate players, when RMT flippers can just use multiple accounts (pay sub with tokens) and easely bypass this.

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I know how to play the game and I’m doing fine and having fun. This is just a theoretical discussion. I’m making an observation not complaining. Perhaps you didn’t see this since I only said it three times in three different posts. This is just a game and no one is seriously being hurt. But there is a small part of me that is bothered that a few people in the game are using the same tactics that cause so much harm for so many people in the real world.

id rather blizzard just get rid of the bots that immediately undercut you as soon as you put something up.

The AH is fine, nothing needs to change.

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Socialism and wealth redistribution are for losers.

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I never had a problem with the AH. Everything sells that i list on there and has what i need