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It’s a comment made moreso in reference to the company Anduin’s has been keeping, which from Faerin’s perspective is the player company - to whom she has additional dialogue if the player’s character is of a more “evil” race and class / spec, and Alleria. Alleria as a void elf happens to be the living manifestation of Arathi faith’s greatest enemy; the Void.
I stopped reading when you said they don’t have empathy. That goes directly against the lore of the light. Only time they don’t feel empathy is when they go void and that is extremely rare. You’re just wrong.
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Did the friends of Xe’ra care that she died? No.
Did they apologize to Illidan for what she tried to do? No.
Did A’dal or Mu’ru care that many Blood Elves would certainly die if Mu’ru allowed itself to be drained of its light? No.
Is the Naaru in the Priest Hall compassionate? No. It even speaks out against the flipping between void and light as a useless war that no other Naaru bother to question.
Is the Naaru that corrupted Yrel have compassion towards the orcs who it demands the loyalty of? No.
Did Ku’re REGRET devouring the souls of the Orcs for generations? NO.
You are ascribing emotions to creatures that fully LACK emotion. They don’t have emotional bonds. To each other. To their soldiers. To anything, really. They do not care. That is the essense of a lack of empathy.
- Turaloyn grieved for Xe’ra. [1]
- You can’t apologise for someone else because the moral agent bears the guilt.
- M’uru allows this to happen because he knows from Velen’s prophecy that this will lead to the redemption of the blood elves, not their death. [2]
- Saa’ra - Source?
- There is much compassion for the orcs in Draenor. Misguided compassion, perhaps, but compassion nonetheless. [3]
- Ku’re didn’t like it and tried to end it. [4]
I wonder why some people want to see the Naaru as bad guys and the Void Lords as good guys. Seems wierd.
“Bastions of purity and good, the titans are unable to conceive of evil or wickedness in any form.” - Ultimate Visual Guide, pg. 32
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Because subverting expectations has ruined an entire generation of storytelling, and people haven’t realized out loud that it is a tired trope yet.
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I don’t think the titans thinking, “we should have a failsafe in case these Old Gods do escape their prisons and corrupt the planet” are them being “control freaks”.
The Old Gods corrupting Azeroth is not good for anyone but the Void Lords.
The fact that they even had a “Prime Designates death was an accident, no signs of system corruption” option implies that the Titans are not control freaks.
In fact the only Titan related character that is a control freak is Odyn. And it is clear that the Titans do not agree with him as the Titans empowered the Dragon Aspects via the other Keepers. Surely if the Titans themselves shared the same view as Odyn, that anything that isn’t titanforged are “corrupt”, they wouldn’t have done that.
And you are getting is from where exactly? One would think that the Keepers and the watchers would’ve killed any titanforged that were corrupted by the curse of flesh if they viewed mortal races as “corrupt”. But they didn’t.
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This sentence brings my GoT S8 trauma back to life.
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Everything is a tired trope, nothing is new and its all been done before
So M’uru willingly sacrificing itself to redeem a lost people (Blood Elves) is morally disgusting?
Can’t wait for Thadus to see that and rage at you. Considering M’uru is purple Jesus.
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I think we are slowly seeing a reversal of that trend alongside the end of the edgy deconstruction. They’re both quite played out and a well-written story that’s earnest in what it tries to be is far better than somebody trying to be subversive and surprising for the sake of it.
Evil Superman is my go-to example of something that needs to go away. There’s nothing more that can be said with that whole subgenre.
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It ruined star wars alright. They didn’t even do it right. The old Republic subverted expectations better but the sequel movies was lazy.
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Glad someone has media literacy
Homelander, the plutonium, injustice Superman, Superboy prime, and omni-man said all that is needed to be said honestly.
I wouldn’t consider Red Sun Superman evil, he was just communist and followed what he thought was just and correct from Soviet Russia. He still had the heart to do good and did in the end.
But the rest are just evil.
Oh, forgot Ultraman in there. Mafia superman
We went so hard on the subverting superman trope that now shows like Superman and Lois or Superman adventures where he is just a wholesome dude is super popular again.
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Nothing makes lore nerds happier than rug pulling every bit of foundation they’ve obsessed over!
Wait.
The Algalon encounter was the Titan’s last option for the absolute worst-case scenario, planetary corruption and a breakdown of their defenses. A world overrun by The Old Gods, Legion, or Scourge is a nightmare hellscape (literally too). Furthermore, you don’t want those forces to spread to other worlds in the universe.
Algalon isn’t a control freak, he is basically an AI who believes his millennia of data shows there is no other option. He relents after he is defeated and reasonably assumes the forces of Azeroth have proven to be capable of fighting the corruption on their own. The fight is about cold logic vs the human spirit when facing insurmountable odds.
Xe’ra is Legion lore where Blizzard started to recontextualize all the cosmic forces. Though there was a neat theory I read on the forum that stated Xe’ra believed Illidan would be okay with lightforging because he always sacrificed for the greater good.
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I mean, the Illidan novel also had him having visions of himself as a champion of light and him thinking about doing it for the greater good. The Xe’ra thing was really just the writers deciding to go with “the rule of cool” over continuing the storyline they set up in his novel. I think it was also because they would be going “woops, if Illidan goes light, that makes the illidari a huge mistake”.
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Wasn’t that also what made the Sargeras betrayal so poignant because they couldn’t really conceive of it happening (at least in the Old Lore)?
Interesting, I didn’t know that Illidan actually considered it. That does reframe the encounter some.
The too many writers and switching directions is like Wow’s kryptonite.
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While the titans might not be control freaks, most of their keepers definitely are. Seeing as someone created a giant death robot should the Earthen on Khaz Algar start thinking for themselves.
I’m not saying that the titans are evil or should be, but the keepers generally seem to not understand mortals and people thinking for themselves. Outside a few exceptions that is.
Edit: Archaedas, Freya and Tyr seem to be the exception, with them being genuinely good beings who care about those under them
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I believe that was mentioned, yes.
The quest for this is called ‘Titanic Failsafe’. Titanic failsafes are usually a response to a corruption of the old gods. Think of Uldum or Algalon. It’s a bit open to interpretation, but I personally think that the Colossus protocol assumes that the Earthen have fallen once the Edicts are gone.
Thorim, Ra-den, Hodir and Mimiron (without void corruption) seem to be okay as well. It seems that Odyn is more of an exception due to his personality. That would be 7/8 being fine.
I’ve not included Loken (the 9th) because nothing is known about him before his corruption.
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This is important. They didn’t accidentally choose to make them resemble inanimate objects instead of living things. That was intentional. They are more alien, more cold and lifeless than even the titan watchers.
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