Fight Malfurion for acceotance and make sure you can stay with the people that been Friends before being banished
Its what makes the Amani/Elf conversation and situation so compelling. They were exiles (rightfully or not given their insistence on magic given what ârecentlyâ happened) who were going mad in Lordearon and dying, choosing just took a shot at going east and eventually north. (Should note here they contemplated about wiping out the humans to settle in some of their areas but chose not to. Somehow same logic didnt work the same with trolls 
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Still, exiles dying and going mad in need of a place to settle intentionally settle on major leyline convergence and start to heal. Trolls angry that the same Highbrone that destroyed the world, and their empires previously, are now settling in their lands, sacred lands at that, and try to fight them back. Elves take lands that rightfully belong to them and for the next X years attempt to reclaim what is theirs.
There are varying degrees of correctness and wrongness here by modern Azeroth. We can say the Amani were ruthless and uncaring for exiles, we can also say elves did have other options We can say the elves likely didnât care of the trolls who they saw as beneath them, we can also say the trolls harbored hate from generations prior. We can say they should have attempted some agreement over the generations, but who is to say any would have been satisfying to all parties? This is one of the actually morally grey things the game offers.
WoW Player Challenge: Understand game narratives and our understandings donât happen in a vacuum.
Difficulty: Impossible
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Erevien is objectively just flat out wrong. The High elves didnât travel to the Eastern Kingdoms with the intention of slaughtering the natives. The Amani were the ones, who were for intents and purpose, attacked first.
The Amani are not the good guys and neither are the high elves. Both sides did terrible things to one another. Yâall need to stop thinking everything is so black and white.
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It should be noted that the Trolls never hated the Highborn for the Sundering, and that the Highborn still only appeared almost 3000 years after the event. Its to this day even unknown that outside of the elves and dalaran it is well known that the highborne broke the world.
The trolls hated the Highborn for the destruction of their empires under Azshara and attacked the refugees based on this, but they were not entirely defenseless and so a back and forth began whereby both sides began to fear each other more and more. The whole thing finally culminated in a war in which slowly
A) QuelâThalas was founded and Silvermoon was built over the ruins of the Amani holy place as a result
B) the hereditary enmity had manifested itself
C) And the borders of this⊠ânewâ empire were drawn.
The whole thing was then in relative peace for 4000 years, the rangers protected the borders, but all the excesses of hatred, like hunting the Amani for sport, only happened when the great troll war took place 2800 years ago, in which the trolls tried to wipe out the high elves and humanity, with genocidal intentions and plans.
This hatred was unfortunately reflected on themselves and ended in another bloody conflict lasting over 2000 years in which the Rangers hunted trolls without mercy, Arathi and Farstrider declared trollhunts and the Amani attacked innocent elven villages and slaughtered all civilians.
Did you read my full post?
Also most empires donât just claim new land in order to murder the natives, itâs just the end result by displacement, stealing the resources, sometimes enslavement, or if the natives are in the way for whatever goal the imperialists have.
In this case theyâre in the way of the high elves establishing a new empire with a good power-source. It does not really help that theyâre ancestral enemies, or in the elves case not even ancestral.
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Because the trolls attacked them, that was the big difference between the two cases.
The humans did not attacke them, they even traded with them and in one specific case were the only reason the highborn still existed because they saved them through the harsh winter of nordern eastern kingdom.
Thereâs understanding game Narratives, and thereâs injecting world narratives along with it.
Saying: âThis is just like when/who- etcâ
Is not the same as saying: âThis is- blankâ
Some posts Just seem insensitive like that one post Where that guy related a tragic event to the End Game Marvel movie.
They wanted to create an empire that surpassed the achievements of the original empire, which is per se just âcreating a better future than you had beforeâ, and what many still forget, this is 3000 years after the Sundering. I donât think we can imagine what that means, 3000 years. And it was also after they had been on the run for 500 years (there are 500 years between exile and the founding of QT, even that is hard to imagine)
Itâs known in some form among some races, the pandaren emperor that summoned the mists had a vision of the elves breaking the world and itâs recounted by their lorewalkers.
Before the first war Khadgar also recalls an old Lordaeron legend that speaks of an evil race that broke the world by messing with dangerous powers.
And finally the Night elves told their story of how the Highborne played a central role in WotA and the breaking of the world upon joining the alliance which is one of the reasons given for why the Alliance grew distrustful of the blood and high elves in vanilla/tbc.
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Which isolated Pandaria for 10.000 years
evil unknown race (only the council of tirisfal know the truth that the highborne were responsible for the sundering).
And the High elves did that only because the human did the same mistake they did in the past, and thats the reason for the founding of the tirisfal-order and the magna-role.
Thousand of years after all this conflict happenedâŠbut true, today it could be knowledge which is much more comon.
Even if you arenât sympathetic to the elves he raided and tortured on the regular, enslaving your own gods has to drive up a guyâs karmic bill. Itâs no great surprise to me he ended up in vampire purgatory.
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Now I am curious if the Venthyr will ever catch him. I guess the dude could spend eternity on the run and hiding from the Venthyr but that feels like its own version of purgatory.
Well, âthe loreâ doesnât tell us that, the book âThe Founding of QuelâThalasâ does which reads like a diegetic account written from a perspective that is sympathetic to the elves. The author even calls the trolls a âbarbaric, evil raceâ, so the bias does shine through.
And really, in the real world armies are not bred over several thousands of years. Armies are trained in a few short decades after a militaristic leader takes control of a populace, something we know happened because the Zalandari sent emissaries to appoint Jintha as the leader who would instigate the troll wars.
While I donât really agree with the title of this thread, I do think a softer position of âThe Amani have legitimate grievancesâ is a defendable one.
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I made a statement about how the gameâs protrayal of colonized races is bad, and you decided to argue about how x colonized race is evil in-universe, or how y colonizer race didnât do certain bad things that happened in the real world, so itâs fine.
And they couldâve left when they learned it was inhabited.
Winstonâs Churchill made a famous quote about a dog in a manger, in order to justify, well, look it up.
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Itâs very very VERY important to keep in mind that WoW races are not analogous to real life ethnicities or nations. Doing so would be offensive and trivialize the real things that happened to people throughout history. This is a fantasy world, with fantasy creatures, and the morality of the actions taken by the characters should be taken solely on the in-universe actions of them.
King Sunstrider is not Christopher Columbus, the Amani are not Mayans or Aztecs, they are magic elves and trolls who shoot lightning at each other.
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But Blood Elves are High Elves and the Amani still holds a grudge against them.
I can name you people who wrote a damm college essay why Tauren are problematic and offensive.
and Iâd bet a million gold they werenât Native American.
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Pretty elves and ugly monsters is an outdated trope that needs to die.
Since you love comparing fictional lore to real life societies, I thought the better analogy would be Israelis and Palestinians.
The Elves of Quelthalas would be like the people of Israel after World War 2. They were cast away and exiled, and settled on a land far away from what they knew. While people in the land they settled chant and rave about driving them away into the sea.
The Elves have every right to defend themselves by any means.
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