Garrosh build up was a thing coming since Wrath. So him going full on war monger felt real and solid. Sylvanas was a huge as$ pull and they know it but won’t say it.
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Horde are great, but they just aren’t worthy of cleaning alliance sewers that’s all.
Shouldn’t be so down horde I mean the alliance still allow you to exist after all.
We might even let you get some focus later in this expansion.
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Not Thrall but orcs, this is the major wow problem, but few are ready to talk about it
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Jania was big in BfA…
Oh look a new and exciting topic that hasn’t been raised before … er, wait, no, this OP said nothing that hasn’t been said scores or hundreds of time before.
As a Kul Tiran, yes. But she was not just chilling in Stormwind helping call the shots. If anything, she was about as viewed and useful as Magni. Just my 2 cents. She was key in Wrath, always showing up.
Honestly, how are Orcs going to go back to being tribes and clans in the new world when they have running water, plumbing, air ships and electricity because of the goblins? The old way of the Horde is mostly gone because of necessity and they kinda lost the heritage of the clans.
But that is just how time works. You either adapt and progress of you can left behind.
She led the Alliance attack against Dazar’alor and was the main part with much of the war effort vs. the horde.
Hellscream wasn’t a bromance, he was a nostalgia package, a reminder from the past.
Then he blew it by making em warchief
I just really couldn’t care less about factions; I went horde because it’s been the default faction for my partner and even then we’ve been playing both sides more and more - at this point I just want full cross faction so we can play whatever toons whenever without having the chore of coordinating for something that should only exist in pvp.
I’m sure we’re going to hear the same faction brained whining in reverse as soon as it’s Gazlowe’s turn to be the main hero we follow. It’s all so tiresome.
Garrosh Horde had everything you mentioned, they look like “this” horde we have now?
You’re right. You win. Have a great day 
I’d like to add to this thread the fact that the Horde has not been winning Battlegrounds… At all. I swapped back to it earlier this week, and realize I’ve made a huge mistake. The population only looks bigger, but as a PvP’er, Especially as a Druid… I should have stayed Night Elf. 
Well, now I gotta grind. A lot. Need those tokens.
I also agree with the obvious fact that the story has been focusing a lot more on Alliance characters.
That’s not new though, Every Man For Himself was once to pvp what racials like old Arcane Torrent and Stoneform are to pve; if you check expansions before EMFH was nerfed most of the pvp leaderboard is dominated by humans
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These so-called horde players should identify with Anduin more than anyone, with how much they cry.
Hopefully we actually get to see the Undermine in all its gobliny glory.
Lately it feels very Avengers Assemble
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Oh, I remember all too well. Now it’s Night Elves, though. Maybe a few Dark Iron Dwarves in between 
Until they pair him up with Jaina I reject your notion!
Good day, Sir/Ma’am!
It was never red. It was black. It’s Doomhammer’s armor. Now they’ve made it look gray blue. Someone else suggested it’s probably changed to Frostwolf colors. Which is possible, since he is from the Frostwolf clan.
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