Genn even said in the cut scene that he was taking her future. He knew exactly what he was doing. Which fits into the deliberate destruction of a racial group.
Who said anything about finding a redeeming excuse? There’s never anything redeeming about the destruction a war brings. Both Alliance and Horde have blood on their hands. All I was pointing out is that the Alliance isn’t as innocent as people want to make them out to be.
Remember I said not equal to the Horde’s genocide.
You show me a dictionary definition of genocide and attempt to sweet talk the Horde’s attacks as “not genocide”. Not sure what you are on about over here.
The Alliance is a Level 1 Newbie killing boars and you equate that to a Level 110 Artifact Weapon Horde killing Demons.
The Alliance IS innocent. Genn’s homeland was nearly genocided by Sylvanas. Sylvanas “took away the future” of nearly all Gilnean humans.
Sylvanas can raise corpses.
Please, give the Alliance all of the story. You can see how exhausting it is to have lost every notable character in your faction, to constantly be written as the villains, to always have to be forced into killing off or usurping another Warchief. Honestly, Blizzard should focus on the Alliance. The Horde has taken so many beating, and lost so many iconic characters, that it’d be nice to be ignored for some expansions.
Like my goodness, what’s the point anymore? In a few expansions, we’ll probably have Baine/Thrall (whoever is the current Warchief) killed off and Magatha Grimtotem will for some reason be put as leader of the Tauren and Warchief of the Horde, and we’ll have to march on Thunderbluff where she can kill Lore’themar or something. And we’ll spend the whole expansion hearing “Oh just wait and see, she’s not Garrosh 3.0/Sylvanas 2.0!” Until the end where it’s revealed that she is.
So real talk…I hope the Alliance get Blizzard’s attention for the story. Let Horde recover a little…
I already said I was mistaken about the horde.
She can’t raise more Forsaken without Valkyr, and she needs those same Valkyr to raise her if she should die. That was the entire purpose of her going for the lamp. Without finding a new way to raising Forsaken, eventually the Forsaken will become extinct, which due to Genns own actions is genocide. But I get it, it’s ok for the Alliance to commit genocide. But it’s first world problems when the horde does it.
Carry on with the hypocrisy.
Don’t you see the irony in you claiming a lamp is genocide but ignore how the Alliance has not attempted to destroy the Valkyr?
Boo freaking hoo a random lamp was destroyed. So? Make do with the abundant Valkyr you have. But nooo let’s give in to this paranoia that they MAY attack with the probability of 0.1% with Peaceduin as their High King and let’s genocide the Night Elves.
Nope. No hypocrisy at all.
tfw you have to resort to literal memeing to show that the other faction is bad
The man went from being the god of warcraft, his cleaves legendary, his memes on par with Chuck Norris. He was immortal.
He went from that to being a husk of what he was. A prisoner, someone who befriended a boy king that should have been his enemy and that he should have wrung the life from. He literally sought death just to be put out of his misery.
Just like Thrall. How the mighty Horde have fallen…
They made the Horde their lapdog, their “leaders” their pets, and stood at the highest place of honor in their city. The Horde are nothing more than Anduin’s playthings now, and somehow there are Alliance who think they “lost”?
I mean, I’d have preferred being wiped out, frankly, over having my metaphorical nuts removed and placed around Anduin’s neck for him to fondle for all eternity. I’m genuinely confused as to what could have been a worse fate for the Horde, from the Alliance perspective of an Alliance member who hates the Horde.
The only problem with this is you think the Alliance becoming the focus and maybe having to kill some of our leaders off means that your going to sit to the side all quiet like and ignored.
Naw man your gonna get your sh*t pushed in before we finally go “OH no! your right! Anduin is craaaazy man! ok we cool now right?” WINK WINK /sharpens blades.
When Horde players call Legion an Alliance expansion because we’re fighting the Legion and lead by former Alliance heroes what will they think when suddenly the story is straight up about the Alliance and all it’s new cropped up issues. After an Alliance force lead by Genn blows up Hillsbrad you can break him outta jail for us and help prop up the rebel forces and stand there with sad faces as Genn than faces off heroically against Anduin in a fight over the Alliance! We’ll have all these glorious cinematics with Genn and Malf in them, being all “ooooh Anduins nuts man” and in the background we might toss in Zappy boi standin there all… being there
Trust me, its not some friggin picnic you people make it out to be when your biggest gripe is that YOU have to kill off YOUR leaders because they went evil.
It was Saufang who came up with the plan to kill Malfurion.
It was him wimping out that caused Teldrassil to be burned.
Not one of those things was done while screaming “For the Alliance!” Not one. All of the things he listed were done screaming, “For the Horde!” Every one of them.
Alliance also lost in Warcraft and Warcraft 3 as well.
After reading this and seeing how petty each side is being on who was the bigger victim. I can see why Blizzard threw up their hands and said, “@#$% it! Your all are going to be on the same side now!”
The word genocide was coined during the Holocaust era. It was meant to describe the behaviors and actions of the German military during the Holocaust. .
It wasn’t meant to imply successful eradication of a people. It was meant to imply targeted large scale assault on a specific people with the goal of breaking them as a people, either by eradication or dismantling their society.
It was created by Raphael Lemkin, who fought to make it a specific crime distinct from mass murder.
I’m not really sure what you think, but when Sylvanas turned from “lock it down and break them” to “burn everyone alive to break them”, I’d say that fits the historic point of the word genocide. A direct, targeted, attempt to systematically destroy or break a people.
Given that the word was literally coined for the Jewish during WW2, and that we use it to describe any systematic attempt (completely successful or not), I see no reason to call the assault on Teldrassil anything else.
He doesn’t rule each race that makes up the faction. He leads the Humans of Stormwind and is just the military commander of the combined Alliance military. Which is why there were Night Elves present, as each race contributes a part of their military forces to a joint (think NATO) army that the High King commands.
It’s not just us killing our leaders. We’ve now lost:
-Cairne
-Vol’jin
-Saurfang
-Sylvanas
-Garrosh
-Varimathras
Characters from either Warcraft III or earlier in World of Warcraft’s life that we’re important or were iconic to the faction. We’ve now been reduced to:
-Thrall
-Lore’themar
-Gallywix
-Gazelowe
-Eitrigg
And of those, only Thrall is a long time character.
Meanwhile, the Alliance has been sitting at full leadership, and even stronger leadership (Dwarves) with:
-Anduin
-Velen
-Greymane
-Mekkatorque
-Moira
-Muradin
-Falstad
-Tyrande
-Malfurion
-Alleria
-Turalyon (these two characters being heroes from the past that actually come back and aren’t just rehashed villains for us to fight)
-Jaina
You have your leaders, you have the icons of each of your races from Warcraft III and early Vanilla WoW. You still have the Alliance. And yes, I get it, you haven’t been the focus of the story and you’ve lost cities. But cities can be reclaimed; we can’t bring back the dead. It’s depressing to be at the point where all we have left from early on are the above characters because only Thrall really remains of the original Horde.
In Legion, the Horde did nothing. You claim it wasn’t an Alliance expansion, but I’ll disagree since it took your old heroes and made them look good instead of evil, and Velen and Illidan played a huge role while Velen got to go back to the Alliance and not remain neutral. The Horde had nothing, and I hated that for a while. But between MoP, WoD, and now BfA, I don’t want the story focus on the Horde again for a long time. In just four expansions we’ve lost our icons, practically everyone that marked the Horde for what it was at the start; I would prefer to be a wallflower before we just lose Thrall and Lore’themar.
Edit:
Forgot to add that there was a huge focus on Tyrande in one zone where Horde players got to spend literally the entire time with her being insulted, demeaned, and downright abused while helping her ungrateful backside.
Whoever says Legion was an Alliance expansion would have to recognize that CATA, MOP, WOD and BFA were horde expansions.
If these are protagonists belonging to the faction, it would be so.
But I don’t think so, when the main plot is about a faction in itself it can only be said that it is an expansion of a faction.
Thrall in CATA represented Azeroth, you were his plot as a character,The same goes for Velen in Legion more than anything else in Argus, it was his story.
The plot in an expansion deals with the conflict and it has already happened twice that the conflict has been within the Horde.
We have already had two expansions that smell like red, blood and thunder.
For some reason none have smelled blue and gold.
None of the Alliance has tried to find itself, what it means to belong to the Alliance
We have always been clear, maybe too much.
Another issue with the Alliance Characters is that they are neutral by nature or rather the plot has accommodated them in that default position.
The only character clearly Alliance is Genn.
I am sure that you as a member of the horde do not feel uncomfortable having with you the great majority of leaders and characters of the alliance.
You know he was not killed or abandoned halfway.
The Alliance on the other hand can never Lower the Guard and really trust except with Thrall or Baine.
and not because they don’t smell like the horde but because you know they are good people.
For what? Disagreeing with you?
for his obvious trolling
I think you’re missing the part where the horde is constantly losing iconic characters purely for the sake of the story.
I mean how would you feel if Anduin and Jaina died?