Yes, though using the term retreat is still correct.
Yes and no. I think the Trolls were mostly in the right, but the truly correct action would have been to attempt diplomacy with the Elves when they first erroneously arrived.
The elves traveled for years across the world that had been shattered by the wars with the [Burning Legion], but in the end they arrived in the lands now known as [Lordaeron]. Settling in the [Tirisfal Glades] they quickly encountered the locals, and while contact with the human tribes was sparse, the local [trolls] had built a great empire and attacked them on sight, quickly fueling a hateful feud between the two races. When the high elves went to war with the Amani trolls, the elves could not understand how the trolls’ weapon enchantments were more powerful than their own. The elves then stole ancient knowledge from troll spellcasters, including the famous [Zanza], and used stolen idols to craft their own versions of the troll enchantments.
I dont think they are in the right at all
Was that the original point though? I only added examples where I think Horde contributed to something good. That doesn’t necessary make them good guys, more of a useful guys. And Honestly I wish they were portrayed as Heroes of MM3-4 Barbarians. It was especially well described in Chronicles series from Tarnum’s PoV. To make it short, Barbarians were ruthless and prone to violence, but they were still capable of using that for good deeds.
I would be grateful to not put the words I never used to my mouth. I didn’t even imply that, lol.
I agree elves were never in the right in this particular scenario.
I’m implying it based off the simplistic take at morality in this thread. Its possible to do something that could be considered “good” for selfish or evil reasons.
yep
they where refugees and the trolls attacked them on sight to murder them, if you think the trolls are in the right, I sure hope you think tyrande is in the right for just attacking the orcs then
Chroncicle does not claim otherwise. What it does say is on page 66 of Volume I:
- With heavy hearts, they left their beloved sons and daughters in the care of the Vrykul who inhabited Tirisfal.
For now, more immediate dangers stirred in the lush heart of Kalimdor. A new power–a savage native race born in the early ages of the world–was on the rise. They called themselves trolls, and it would not be long before they leanred of the malignant entities imprisoned beneath the earth.
The Humans arrived in Tirisfal before the Zandalari awakened Kith’ix, before Kith’ix fled west, before the Amani chased after Kith’ix and founded their empire after killing Kith’ix.
Also, what did your passage have anything to do with the origins of Humans in Tirisfal Glades?
Territories the Amani had already lost to the Night Elves well before the Sundering.
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Except that didn’t happen. Elves were left alone for years, they were only attacked when they pressed into troll territories.
The difference between orcs and elves was that orcs were literal aliens and they didn’t know that land was inhabitated, but elves knew and pressed forward regardless. These “innocent refugees” went throusands of miles north slaying any trolls they encountered to settle into heartlandsof troll territories because laylines had the strongest connection.
Elves and trolls warred before. These “refugees” were the ones that were totally on board with cleansing the world from “lesser races” until it backfired on them.
So yes, they were the wrong ones. They could settle anywhere ,like in current Gilneas, but no, they pressed to troll territories.
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All this talk of Blood Elves vs Trolls.
What does the Amani getting wiped out have anything to do with Teldrassil and Night Elves?
The Blood Elves are in the Horde and news flash… so are the trolls.
The elves traveled for years across the world that had been shattered by the wars with the [Burning Legion], but in the end they arrived in the lands now known as [Lordaeron]. Settling in the [Tirisfal Glades] they quickly encountered the locals, and while contact with the human tribes was sparse, the local [trolls] had built a great empire and attacked them on sight,
https ://wow.gamepedia. com/ Troll_Wars
If the Amani are jerks to try and reclaim their homeland, then everyone who does so is.
I mean, yes, they keep losing. Shouldn’t they just like- accept their fate and give up? Settle with that wee bit of land that’s left from their once great empire, let their numbers be culled from time to time or serve as a raid every other expansion?
Let me just quote Zul’jin for you here :
“Da Amani never give up! We never forget. We never die. Dis is our land. You wanna stay, you stay here forever! We gonna bury you here.”
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There are also other descriptions for this event, and one of them was about elves living for years in Tirisfal before deciding to move elsewhere and this is when they encountered trolls.
Elves didn’t move right away to meet trolls. Years passed before they actually met.
And obviously they would be the target since they were enemies before.
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“But the elves soon discovered that another race also called this region home: the barbaric Amani trolls.”
Much like the Orcs didn’t know the Night Elves were in Ashenvale, seemingly the High Elves were unaware the Amani were in the area until they were there.
They did press on, though so did the Orcs. The primary difference being the Orcs ended up making peace (with the assistance of Medivh) whereas the High Elves did not.
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The Highborne indeed landed in Tirisfal in -7,300 and only interact with Humans. It wasn’t until five-hundred years later in -6,800 that the Highborne crossed over the Alterac mountains and encountered the Amani in the Eastweald (now known as the Plaguelands).
These elves were Highborne though, these were not some hippie hobos sleeping in cased that didn’t know about world politics. Once they saw the trolls they should’ve get a clue that they won’t be welcome there due to their past.
And yes Orcs did stopped their advancement for many years once they figured out what the situation was.
Lol no they didn’t they wiped out the draenei and then destroyed their own planet.
Tihoccan meant Thrall on Kalimdor, not the original Horde on Draenor.
I wasn’t talking about dreni.
This was several thousand years after The Sundering. There weren’t many world politics to speak of anymore.
Sure. They should have just left. The Trolls should have also not attacked on sight. It remains that they didn’t know until they were actually attacked, much like the Orcs.
Once more, I think the Trolls were mostly in the right. Much as the Night Elves were mostly in the right.
Well they (like Grom and the Warsong) kept going. That Medivh brokered peace is what managed the later cooperation. The armies were intent on getting to Hyjal to stop the Legion regardless.
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It had been 2,700 years after the Sundering that the Highborne landed on the Tirisfal. That’s a long time to not have any idea what was happening on an entirely different continent.
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Except we know that Elves wouldn’t do that even if Trolls would approach them diplomatically.
They went there because of laylines. They didn’t care who was living there and if the natives wouldn’t want them nearby.
I mean yes, objectively it was not wise to outright treat everyone with open hostility, but same thing did nelves. With the difference that Trolls did remember elves taking a huge chunk of their lands.
Orcs saw them for the first time on their own eyes.
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