Drust are probably a poor comparison to the trolls; with how their death magic works and the portrayal of their defeat in-game (according to Drust steles no less, so it’s not some skewed Kul Tiran representation), it’s heavily implied that once it was apparent that they would lose to Waycrest’s army, Gorak Tul himself slaughtered the rest of the Drust and used their souls to animate the army of constructs that replaced them, with the vision literally showing him casting the spell with the bodies of his own people arrayed at his feet.
The Kul Tirans didn’t come across as particularly invested in actually wiping out the Drust if the Drust just left them alone, or the Thornspeakers would have had a really hard time coexisting on the island with them, which doesn’t seem to be the case.
I only used their example as a race of natives that was successfully exterminated because they didn’t want to share territories with outsiders. I am not here to say wheather they were right or wrong, or the tactics they used.
They were - as a specie/ehtnic group drove to extinction. They no longer hold even one town in their homeland, their places had turned into ruins. Everything was taken over by outsiders. And those who “rightfully joined” are just but a few.
This is incorrect. The Humans were there before the Trolls ever traveled to the area. The Humans remained there after the Night Elves pushed the Amani out of the area. The Humans remained there after the Sundering blew up the continents. The Humans were still there and it was the Humans that the Highborne interacted with in Tirisfal and Alterac when the Highborne arrived on the west side of the continent, not the Trolls.
This was not a probability. The Amani were already attacking the Humans before the Amani even started attacking the High Elves again.
My point remains that the Humans cast the spell in Alterac, their own lands, not the Trolls’ lands, unlike Tihoccan’s statement that the Human’s attack was identical to the burning of Teldrassil.
I mean, yeah, after all, according to Danuser NPC statements should be taken about as seriously as what a drunk guy in a bar tells us. But we have to work with what we get.
And Chronicles are now written by Titans, who might have human bias
Makes a world of difference to me, though. They planned the strategy in advance, including possible casualties. Whereas the retreat of the Amani after the magical firestorm was certainly not planned in advance, and the humans still hunted them down like game.
I’m not making any moral statement regardless. Just clarifying his wording is correct, the Amani were engaged in weeks of brutal and bloody fighting chasing a retreating army.
That Incorrect. Humans were delivered there by the Vrykul tribe from Northrend. BY BOATS. So AFTER Saundering where Amani Already Lorded These territories.
I just find this to be trying to side step the issue. Tihoccan tried to paint the Amani army as identical to the Night Elf non-combatants still on Teldrassil. That is the world of difference.
Your statement is completely factually untrue.
The Humans were brought to the Vrykul in Tirisfal before the Night Elf Empire even formed, well before Sundering.
Chronicles claim otherwise. From Chronicles about the origins of humans in Tirisfal Glades: “Despite the existence of Amani trolls, High Elves and other potential threats, humanity’s greatest adversary proved to be itself.”
As I said, attacks happened from both sides. There was, however, no certainty that the Amani would go full force for Arathor next once they had achieved their main goal, which was reclaiming Quel’Thalas.
It became a certainty after the humans joined forces with the Elves, that’s for sure.
Yes but look, Amani didn’t have this map, did they? They never agreed with humans or Elves on those borders. As far as they were concerned, they were both unlawful occupiers of original Amani territory.
You know…whatever one thinks of the overall circumstances of whose land is whose and whatnot…I find it hard to ignore that the Amani are kind of jerks for repeatedly mounting these attempts to oust the elves and humans, only to go hunker down back in their capital city once it fails and let the other forest tribes outside their walls take the brunt of any subsequent retaliation.
Most of the forest trolls are just hanging onto their tiny regional holdings and occasionally harassing their neighbors, but the worst of what they suffer comes from the responses to what the Amani specifically instigate by wanting to be in charge again.
Most of the other tribes’ willingness to keep subjecting themselves to Amani rule doesn’t help their situation, while the Revantusk at least seemed to be smart enough to figure out that even remaining antagonistic toward the enemies who threaten their homes (in their case the Wildhammers) doesn’t have to mean bowing to every crazy new plan that comes out of Zul’Aman and getting themselves killed in large numbers over and over again just so another tribe can lord it over them if it happens to succeed.
Some of them were brought there by that method. Others seemingly descended from vrykul left behind by Archaedas to protect Tyr’s final resting place. Humans being in the EK actually has two overlapping points of origin.
Which one supposes worked out well for them; the vrykul fleeing Ymiron’s edict were fortunate to land in Tirisfal and find an enclave of their own people already present to help raise and protect their human progeny.
Imagine playing a race like night elves where that wasn’t a theme for your race from WC3 to Burning Crusade, then suddenly being told that’s always been a thing and you should like it because of the faction you’re on. All because Blizzard decided that faction story should be in the spotlight now. Also please ignore the previous content where it wasn’t, Blizzard is hard at work retconning it out of existence.
Gimme my neutral wood elves back. They aren’t compatible with a shallow take at Lawful Good Overdrive human paladins.
Revantusk actually wanted to reunite with Zul’Jin and they still consider him a hero. Their situation is indeed strange, and no wonder that devs ignored them for years.
I was unaware of this particular retcon. Still, there are plenty of plot holes overall in chronicles. The Malfurion and Illidan birthday is particulary confusing as I still have a serious struggle to picture when exactly trolls emerged and how long did it take for them to split, and split again so Dark Trolls could appear, and for them to go all the way to Well of Eternity and then be transformed to Nelves. There Nelven past is still very murky to me, and everything felt to happen really fast. Too fast for my taste.
The Vrykul retcon was just additional bit that messed up overall picture of what was going back then and how it affected the territorial claims.
So, a tactical retreat then.
By the way, no one ever said trolls were nice people. They are extremely territorital and can be cruel. Which is true for many other races in wow as well. But the fact remains, it was their land that’s been invaded to begin with. And they had every right to defend it.
Which they were. In the beginning, at least. And the Amani were willing to go “live and let live” until humans became a serious threat.
Horde and Zandalari saved the World from G’huun.
And I guess with Armies of Kalimdor with Saurfang as general to assault An’Qiraj. It was mostly Horde initiative.
true, still point is, nelves have more knight in shining armor moments than horde. specially if we only talk about wc3 since thats the culture alot of nelf fans say blizzard killed
