Look we will see if blizzard thinks they are correct with how they are doing later on and see if they have to nerf secondary stats again
What would it take to convince you? How much of a handicap would he have to play with before you all concede skill > gear?
That’s a different season. Might as well be a different game.
This is only true when the skill differential between two parties is very large. Put a duelist against a rival with this kind of gear disparity and the duelist isn’t likely to fair very well. Xot’s video doesn’t show realistic scenarios. How about Xot plays with that kind of gear difference in his bracket and see how he fairs.
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TIL that a player who’s average ilvl goes up 5 will not see any dps increase from that boost.
I couldn’t imagine being so disgruntled over a video game rated T for teens that I would wish a man to lose his livelihood.
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“I mash buttons with mad skilz brah” Lots of skill in memorizing fight sequences and rotations. Don’t confuse skill with rote memorization and button clicking speed. Its. A. Game.
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I think you’re missing the point of the exercise.
The point isn’t that a rank 1 shadow priest can run circles around 226 RBG heroes, it’s that skill is more impactful than gear. If you’re 200 item level, breaking 1400 is more about self improvement than any gear disparity. When you’re 207, beating 213’s/220 is (again) more about playing correctly than having better gear.
This video just showed the extreme, that enough skill can overcome any gear disparity.
as he should, good lord.
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Sure they will. A 5% boost.
I think the point was more that while you will have an absolute DPS increase from a 3-5 average ilvl bump, in the moment during the dungeon / encounter, there’s so much variance from other sources that you don’t really ‘feel’ it.
The ilvl increase has got to be much larger, or come alongside some sort of notable mechanical change such as a legendary, trinket, or, sizeable haste increase.
This just isn’t true, though. There are breakpoints for sure, but to suggest in the absolute that skill matters more than gear is just a form of reductionism. At what point does skill become more important than gear? You can start at the extreme (naked vs 227) and work your way up. It’s just asinine to make a blanket statement that skill outweighs gear. It also skirts the issue that it’s simply not fun to play at such a large gear disadvantage.
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190 honor gear was enough for the spriest to beat 226 warriors and rets, so there’s that.
As long as anyone looks to place the blame for their losses on external factors, they won’t improve because they’re not addressing their own shortcomings.
So, let’s say you got 1 shot by a 226 Ret pally. It’s really tempting to say “there was nothing I can do”, but it’s simply not true. By the time the Ret is on you with HoJ, wings, seraphim/etc., you’ve already made several critical mistakes. It’s more beneficial to work on those than to just place 100% of the blame on gear, because that shuts down any Avenue for self evaluation.
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You didn’t answer my questions. It’s simply not true that skill can outweigh any gear disparity. No one is questioning the fact that skill is an aspect of both PvE and PvP. That is self evident. We’re arguing with how much gear matters. At the moment, it matters a whole damn lot.
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So… are there a lot of people playing on the ladder wearing 0 item level? 190 is free gear. You don’t even need to win to get it. Your extreme example is a meaningless straw man.
The reality is that there is no point in character development where you are more hard-stopped by a gear gap than a skill gap.
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Disagree. Pros have shown on their alts time and time again that gear matters a whole lot. For example, The Move queued alts on ladder at around 2200 a few months ago and logged onto their mains because they kept getting stomped by players far worse than them.
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I’m just not going to convince you, it seems like. But one will never improve if they always blame external factors for their failure.
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Mafic, he meant “skill” as in “We don’t balance the class skills.” Obviously!
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I’ll tell that to The Move next time. “Stop blaming your gear on these losses. You’re clearly getting outplayed. Get better!”
Such a ridiculous statement to say that gear isn’t ever a roadblock for people.
Your example proves my point. A guy playing on an undergeared alt was gaming around 2200. That’s high enough to farm up a full set of 226.
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Was that the video I saw passed around earlier where rank 1s were running in like 160 gear and complaining how they couldn’t break 1600?
It’s still an RPG and not a FPS. Skill matters more, but massive gear gaps, like 60-70 item levels isn’t going to get overcome even with a ton of skill.
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