When I was in the beta, I told them the hero talents felt like hot crap (in a much more constructive way) so I’m not shocked that things are the way they are currently.
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Like, Don’t use hero talents to force people into trees.
Listen to what we actually want, and delete that spell.
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If you want lower rewards while making it easier, just run a lower rank delve. Is not the of the wold if you get a lower ilv item, it will still be useful and you can progress to the next rank when you get more ilv.
If you struggle to complete a rank 8, just do 4 keys on lower ranks for more ilv. Why rush to complete the hardest content available for a solo player? You have months to do them.
I dont want anything to do with delves. But see how many people are complaining? Delves were marketed towards casual, solo centric players. They made them way harder-- because of higher skilled players farming them so fast.
So the no-brainer decision is to nerf the rewards instead of coming out with a hotfix that just makes everything harder ruining it for the players Delves were marketed towards as.
Not sure how you didn’t get what I’m saying.
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Were they? I remember them being marketed for solo play. I always assumed hard because there was heroic tracking. Maybe some people equate solo with casual so it was assumed?
I get it, but I disagree. Higher skilled player have nothing to do with how hard they are for the casual player, people that raid mythic or push high keys are not struggling on delves, is irrelevant content for us and the difficulty is a non-issue.
The tuning is suppose to be so casual players take time to progress trough them, getting more gear every week. Rank 8 is not the only thing that rewards you, casual players can do the lower ranks to get geared.
I don’t want lower rewards, I want to be able to complete the content at the recommended item level suggested by the devs. Sure, a t8 is rated for 600+ but at 593 I should be able to complete that on a spec I’m very comfortable with and have played for 20 years without 7 item levels making or breaking the run. Currently that’s not the case as I’m blowing through the same content on a warlock I am not super familar with that’s 15 item levels lower than what is suggested. Some specs just ain’t cuttin’ it. Warlocks are obviously fine. I see pally is doing well too. Think mage is doing well. Some classes just aren’t.
They marketed them as progression content for those players.
Now, progression content is not what wow has historically given those players to do, and they are taking some time to adjust.
It should be expected that your 1st try in progression content does not succeed. You may need to get more gear and come back later, or just keep learning until you can do mechanics. These are features of progression content.
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I haven’t personally tried every class, but every class in my guild were doing delves on tuesday and completing ranks 8, with 585 or lower ilv. It cant be that impossible for some specs, if it is to you get more gear and level up Brann.
I would be mindful of taking the forums as being representative of the wider playerbase.
As progression content.
This would see me unsub as I came back in the hopes of having content to progress through, which was not serviced by M+ and raiding. I’d argue that given things like WQs and Island Expeditions (which were easy with poor progression rewards) did not retain subs, a lot of casual players are like me.
This should absolutely be possible. Every spec should be able to overcome the content at the bare minimum when they are close to the recommended item level.
I haven’t done Delves on anything but a spec that’s well suited to them, but if that isn’t the case it 100% needs to be addressed and fixed.
I don’t believe that people should have to change their spec or class to engage in the content, that isn’t right at all.
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Tbf, that’s a byproduct of Druid just being in an overall garbage state in everything and with Tuesday’s buffs should be slightly better.
Though personally not expecting a massive miracle as there’s more wrong with this class than just our tuning being a few % off. But Blizzard gunna Blizzard.
The turning was fine for most delves, a few one was very hard. But I am able to clear bountiful delves lvl 7 with 590 gear, 0 death with a devastation evoker. I think the turning is fine most of them, a few of them was much harder than rest
Spell damage is too high and too much unavoidable damage. You can outgear the content and do it, but then what is the purpose of promoting delves as an alternative gear progression path?
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I’m getting a bit off-topic here but something I’ve never understood is that between Wowhead/IcyVeins/Discord, folks are making class tier lists. They know which builds are good and which ones aren’t. They’ve done the math, they know which abilities/talents/etc are not working well for specific content, and they know why. They literally do all the groundwork for Blizz to be like “Huh, maybe we should increase the damage of Frost Bolt by 12% to better put Frost Mage in-line with Elemental Shaman” and yet, every patch there is huge discrepency between classes.
You dont really do them for the gear at end of dungeon. You do them for the weekly vault
If the gear at the end of the run is 603 and I’m wearing 585, why would I not want 4 pieces of gear per day and want just 1 piece of 610 from the vault per week?
Casual folks 100% want the gear at the end of the run.
Champion gear is pretty good right now and it will still be relevant for new characters even when m+ is out.
603 is for lvl 8 delves. You cant clear lvl 8 delves with 585. I am at 590, I can barely clear lvl 7.
I dont think the problem is the gear reward, I think the issues is more to do with bad class balance
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You know, what’s crazy is I thought the same thing! Except you actually can! But only with the right class.